księżycowy wrote:I'm adding German into the mix now, as I both am feeling myself drawn to it as of late (might as well capitalize on that), and French and German are similar enough, different enough, easy enough and hard enough to be doable at the same time. [If anyone understands what I just said, give yourself a cookie! ]
I want to actually keep up with a NAIL this year, instead of just doing one for the Powwow. I feel like I'm kind of just a fake mod otherwise. I'm not 100% sure which language I'd like to stick it out with (there are a few I really would like to be proficient at), but after I get German and French well on their way to restoration I'll worry about that.
I would also like to get into an Asian language. Anyone who's been around this forum for long enough should know I've had the Asian language bug for a while. It's time to act on that! At the moment I'm thinking I'd like to do some variety of Chinese (most likely Mandarin or Cantonese), but Japanese is also a serious contender. Korean and Vietnamese are lesser contenders as well, but as with the NAIL idea, I have some time to figure it out.
And, last but not least, IF I have enough time for more, I'd like to do either Polish or Irish. This is unlikely, but you never know. I'd also love to do an African language (this interest has lay dormant in my for a bit now, and I'd like to act on it eventually). I know I want to eventually tackle Amharic (Ethiopia has long fascinated me), but I want to do that one after Hebrew is pretty well on it's way, perhaps even after I've gotten Arabic on it's way. I know I want to to all the major Modern Semitic languages, but in what order? Obviously Hebrew is first, but who knows what's next.
Bantu languages look quite interesting as well, as do languages from western Africa (yes Yoruba, I'm looking at you). They are a bit like NAILs too me. Too many to be interested by. Choices will have to be made. .
*follows księżycowy everywhere pretending to be a float of a clown bobbing up and down and whispering yuP'IK!yuP'IK!yuP'IK! behind his back* (If that made any sense to you, give yourself a glass of spiced buttermilk...OK, I'm just kidding. I'm done being totally silly. Give yourself a cookie!).
Do Mandarin! OK, OK, I guess I shouldn't be talking so much before you've really had a chance to think about it, but it's the Global Lingua Franca , the tones are easier than Cantonese, and the Chinese forum hasn't been getting enough activity since Christmas for some reason. Maybe it's for the same reason why today is the first day since Christmas I've been doing anything for any American languages!
Swahili! But really, Swahili has lots of Arabic influence, and it's pretty easy for a Bantu language. Although Amharic is good, too. I should be learning Amharic, dammit. I know some native speakers here in town, even though I haven't seen them in ages!
księżycowy wrote:No need to be sorry. Spam away. I'm just happy someone stopped by and wrote something for a change.
I might do Yup'ik. Then again I would like to keep my Lakhota and Lushootseed alive. Plus there are others I find really interesting.
As for the forum, it's called Chinese, not Mandarin. I could use it for any variety I choose.
I don't know, I love the tones and finals in Cantonese and Taiwanese. Plus syllabic ng and m. I have tried to learn Taiwanese two or three times. The nicest thing about Cantonese and Taiwanese is I'd be focusing on spoken only for a start. I would like to like to learn how to read and write Cantonese and Mandarin at the least, but I'm not sure I'd have the time for that this year with everything I want to try to do. We shall see what happens.
Chances are, African languages will have to wait until next year. But I'm not calling it quite yet (after all the year just started).
I have some stuff for Zulu, Yoruba, Wolof (coming in the mail as we speak), Shona and Amharic. I'm also aware of some FSI courses floating around the internet, but chances are I'd limit myself to the ones I already have physical books for. Shona looks interesting. Whistled consonants, tones, and what I believe to be pretty typical Bantu grammar.
Which are the "others"?
I can't say with any confidence that any of the others are out of the running yet. Japanese was the first Asian language of serious interest to me, so that puts it into a league of it's own. But Chinese is pulling pretty hard at the moment.Yeah, but at least that rules out Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese. (Man, Korean has always been so problematic for me. Whenever I study it, I'm just dying to find every single Chinese loanword I might have come across).
Have you ever tried your Cantonese out with a native speaker? I suck at producing the right tones in that language! Cantonese is the only language for which I always get either negative feedback or no feedback at all whenever I try to speak it.
księżycowy wrote:Oh God, too many. But of particular interest are: any Iroquoian language, anything Salish, Tlingit, Cree, Aleut & Iñupiaq, Navajo, Apache (if they ever release the audio to my textbook). That's about it really, for the US and Canada anyway.
Can't say I have, or that I've seriously studied any aside from a lesson or two of Taiwanese. But if I do decide on (some sort of) Chinese, I have a guy at work that I believe speaks Chinese. I'm not 100%, as I haven't asked him about it, but he's Asian and speaks some sort of tonal language. I have to admit to my amateur ears it does sound an awful lot like Cantonese, or some other form of Chinese other then Mandarin. I can't hear any third tones or 'er's.
vijayjohn wrote:Ooh, maybe we can do Cree! (I'm learning Michif anyway, which mostly means that I'm learning Cree (Plains Cree, I think) ). Or Quechua.
księżycowy wrote:Yet another informative post, Vijay!
Looking for a study buddy?
vijayjohn wrote:Burmese, huh? I've tried Burmese before (using the SEAsite course), but ugh, I've never gotten far with any Sino-Tibetan (or Austronesian!) languages, other than Mandarin.
BTW, which textbooks are you using for French and German? The only ones I have are like high-school level textbooks, but I'm reviewing those, too...or at least, I'm reviewing what was basically my brother's second-year French textbook.
You got it. I wanted to count Modern Hebrew, but I didn't feel (with all the grammar and vocabulary it shares with Biblical) it counted as a full point. Thus the half.And what is this "three-and-a-half languages" business? I guess the three would be Biblical Hebrew, French, and German, and the "half" would be Modern Hebrew?
księżycowy wrote:What made you stop? Anything you found particularly hard?
vijayjohn wrote:I don't think so. I mean, with Cantonese, it was tones, but with everything else, I think it was just lack of motivation. Like, I might have started learning it, but I didn't meet any native speakers or anything, and I think there were other languages that I felt more compelled to learn at the time. (Oh, BTW, I also have Lonely Planet Burmese).
Ah. Don't have any of those, unfortunately. :/ Well, just in case you were curious, the French books I have are the three shown here.
Wanna try practicing/studying/reviewing/whatever French and/or German together?
księżycowy wrote:I keep trying to reply to you, but my mind keeps wondering away.
I suppose it might make more sense to do it in the language forums themselves, so I can leave this thread to updates
As to which I would want to start with, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm attempting to work on both together at the moment.
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