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Music in minority languages

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-04, 8:53

"Sengakoca" meaning 'bell' is a song in Nenets, apparently in Forest Nenets. Nenets is a Samoyedic language (or perhaps two languages), which means it's in the Uralic language family but is not Finno-Ugric. Some of the Nenets people speak Tundra Nenets while others speak Forest Nenets; they are sometimes seen as dialects of the same language, but they are not mutually intelligible and are arguably different languages. Both are spoken in northern Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_nmRwpLAB8

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-05, 2:58

This is a traditional folk song in Kalmyk called Мөндрә, which is pronounced something like [mondræ]. I posted another song in Kalmyk earlier, but this one is longer (I think the other one is just an excerpt of another song), and this time, I also managed to find the lyrics in Cyrillic script. These aren't the exact lyrics, because apparently, each singer sings it slightly differently, but I've posted the approximate lyrics below the video as somebody in the comments posted them (formatted slightly differently):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah5l1Lb0IeA
Сармта мөңгн гинә билцгнь, билцгнь
Сарин сарул сөөһәр белглләв, белглләв (2)
Сәәхн гинәлә күүкн гинә Мендрәһән болхгов
Санаһарн дахна болһлав, болһлав
Хаҗудан сууна болһлав, болһлав

Chorus:
Уханчнь ормнь, хуҗрхадчнь тоолгднав
Селгәнчнь ормнь, сегрхәдчнь тоолгднав
Однав гиһәд келхнч (2)
Ирнәв гиһәд келхнч (2)
Амрар келәд өгхнч, цаасар бичәд өгхнч
Үгәр келәд өгхнч, үзгәр бичәд өгхнч

Хавсн гинәлә, мөңгн гинә, билцгнь, билцгнь
Хар хулан Мендрәд белглләв, белглләв (2)
Хәәр гинәлә, күүкн гинә Мендрәһән болхгов
Хаҗудан сууна болһлав, болһлав
Хәрүһән өгләл болһлав, болһлав
(Chorus)

Зурһан җилин сурһулиг яахв?
Зургла болсла Мендрәг яахв? (2)
Мендрәг яахв, бийән яахв?
Бийән яахв, Мендрәг яахв?
(Chorus)

Һурвн йовсн токуһнь, токуһнь
Һулҗңһа шарла Мендрәд белглләв (2)
Һулҗңһа шарла Мендрәд белглхнь
Һурвн хоңгин үгинь авхар бәәләв (2)
(Chorus)

Цаһан хурһна махигнь, махигнь
Цаг биш цагтнь чанад һарһлав (2)
Цаһан саната Мендрә чамаһан
Цаг биш цагтнь авад һарлав (2)
(Chorus)

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Johanna » 2015-01-05, 20:53

Listening to a couple of Meänkieli songs, one is a modern pop ballad, the other still sonds quite modern but also firmly rooted in folk music.

Meänkieli is a Finnish dialect spoken in north-eastern Sweden with a lot of Swedish loan words. It's not mutually intelligible with the Finnish spoken in for example Helsinki, but understanding those just across the border usually poses no problem at all.

It's one of five official minority languages of Sweden, the others being regular Finnish, Sami, Yiddish and Romani. That a difference is made between Meänkieli and Finland-Finnish is a bit strange though, there are five Sami languages spoken in the country that are all lumped together, and Romani isn't exactly known for being homogeneous either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ebmmx9jA8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sP3ZqoWbsY
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-06, 5:25

Johanna wrote:That a difference is made between Meänkieli and Finland-Finnish is a bit strange though, there are five Sami languages spoken in the country that are all lumped together, and Romani isn't exactly known for being homogeneous either.

Could it have something to do with the fact that Finland is a country whereas the Sami people don't really have a country of their own and the Romani people are non-territorial?

This is a song in Udmurt performed by Kolja Anisimov called "Ogpol ke no." Udmurt is closely related to the Komi varieties. The video description on YouTube has only a translation of the song lyrics in Polish (I'm not sure why):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwaK8w0YPPQ
EDIT: Found lyrics in Cyrillic and Latin scripts

Огпол ке но юод али
Куак ултӥ кошкись вуосыз.
Огпол ке но малподы али
Анайдылэсь верам кылзэ.

Ой пипу куар, пипу куар но
Огинэ усем пипу куар.
Огинэ усем пипу куар кадь
Туннэ асьмес огинын.

Весь кырӟасал, весь верасал,
Шулдыръяськыса улысал,
Ас яратон эшъёсыным
Весь огинын улысал.

Ogpol ke no yuod ali
Kuak ulti koshkis vuosyz.
Ogpol ke no malpody
Anajdyles veram kylze.

Oj pipu kuar, pipu kuar no
Ogine usem pipu kuar.
Ogine usem pipu kuar kad
Tunne asmes oginyn.

Ves kyrzasal, ves verasal,
Shuldyryaskysa ulysal.
As yaraton eshjosynym
Ves oginyn ulysal.
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-07, 7:01

Chuvash is basically the only Turkic language that is not mutually intelligible with the other Turkic languages. This is a folk song in Chuvash, which is spoken in the Chuvash Republic in Russia and adjacent areas (including Tatarstan). It's called "Ah, anneśĕm, anne." I can't tell what the singer's name is, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E88olxQFe7E

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby voron » 2015-01-09, 0:23

vijayjohn wrote:Chuvash is basically the only Turkic language that is not mutually intelligible with the other Turkic languages.

I'm pretty sure Sakha and other Nothern Turkic are not intelligible either.

Nice song btw! I do like your entries, vijay (and now that I finally have an unlimited internet at home I can enjoy them as much as I want)!

I wonder why Turkic and Finno-Ugric languages spoken in Russia sound so much like Russian (with palatal consonants and vowel reduction). Was there a comparable mutual influence?

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-09, 6:16

voron wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:Chuvash is basically the only Turkic language that is not mutually intelligible with the other Turkic languages.

I'm pretty sure Sakha and other Nothern Turkic are not intelligible either.

Yeah, you're probably right.
Nice song btw! I do like your entries, vijay (and now that I finally have an unlimited internet at home I can enjoy them as much as I want)!

Thanks!
I wonder why Turkic and Finno-Ugric languages spoken in Russia sound so much like Russian (with palatal consonants and vowel reduction). Was there a comparable mutual influence?

In at least some cases, there definitely was.

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-14, 1:38

This is a song in Mari, a Uralic language spoken in the Mari El Republic in Russia. I think this particular song is in Meadow Mari; there are several varieties of Mari, namely Hill Mari, Meadow Mari, and a bunch of other varieties that are closely related to Meadow Mari. This is a (modernized) traditional song sung by Elvira Toktasheva called "Keče lekteš, ončaleš" (Кече лектеш, ончалеш) meaning 'the sun goes out, looks out'. The lyrics can be found in Cyrillic and Roman scripts in the video description:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZTEO9gaBrc

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-15, 3:47

Bashkir is a Turkic language (a Kipchak language whose closest relative is Tatar) spoken both in Russia (in the Republic of Bashkortostan) and further south, across the border, in Kazakhstan. This is a song in Bashkir called "Uzıp bargan gumer" (Узып барган гумер) sung in 2008 on TV in Bashkortostan (Russia) by Farit Bikbulatov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdlV-JdeGeQ

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-20, 0:28

Balochi is an Iranian language that is spoken not only in Balochistan (which includes parts of Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan) but also in Turkmenistan. This is a collection of Balochi songs from Turkmenistan, specifically in Western Balochi, which is spoken in a few small parts of that country:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z04Qp_MZGV8

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Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-20, 8:10

Karakalpak (or Qaraqalpaq, literally 'black hat') is a language spoken in Karakalpakstan, i.e. in northwestern Uzbekistan. Although the language is strongly influenced by Uzbek, it is much more closely related to Kazakh, Kyrgyz, and Nogay. This is a Karakalpak song called "Nayleyin" (Найлейин) performed by Rustem Boʻribaev and Biybinur Qayiʻpova:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DgS0lRLEu0

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Youngfun » 2015-01-23, 19:07

So many REAL minority languages, dude.

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-23, 19:11

Well, the majority of the world's languages are "REAL minority languages." :P

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Youngfun » 2015-01-23, 19:27

Nah... Cantonese is "minority" enough for me.

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Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-23, 19:47

I'd say Salentino and Como dialect(s?) are waaay closer to being minority languages than Cantonese is. :lol:

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Youngfun » 2015-01-23, 20:24

Yeah, those for me are very minority languages.
While the languages of the songs you post are: I-could-never-imagine-such-languages-spoken-by-so-few-people-in-geographical-places-that-I've-never-heard-let-alone-the-languages-could-exist-in-the-world.

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Postby melski » 2015-01-24, 12:00

Youngfun wrote:Yeah, those for me are very minority languages.
While the languages of the songs you post are: I-could-never-imagine-such-languages-spoken-by-so-few-people-in-geographical-places-that-I've-never-heard-let-alone-the-languages-could-exist-in-the-world.

/irony on/ Don't worry, 90% of them will be extinct by 2100.. /irony off/

By the way, I recently discovered a very cool pop band singing in Ladin, Ganes
You can listen to their albums on Deezer here.

One of their songs, Motivaziun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHz8YUisZi0

I have no clue which variety of Ladin they sing in, maybe IpseIDixit can enlighten us on this point.
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Postby IpseDixit » 2015-01-24, 13:29

I have no clue which variety of Ladin they sing in, maybe IpseDixit can enlighten us on this point.


It's not easy to tell since they are singing but I'd say it's Badiot.

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I've googled them, and yep they are from La Ila (La Villa in Italian), Val Badia.

http://altoadige.gelocal.it/bolzano/cro ... 1.10073573

Anyways they seem very cool, I didn't know of them. Detelpai per m'aer fat les descourir. :) A propojit, co aste pa les troèdes?

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Endèna una de cheles che me pièsc de più la é chesta chiò:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfKBcn4bEo0

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-25, 1:42

Uyghur is a minority language not only in China (the PRC) but also in Kazakhstan (and Uzbekistan and various other countries). This is an Uyghur song from Kazakhstan, apparently made in Almaty in 2012. It's called "Qayerde san" meaning 'where are you?' and is sung by Mominjan Abilikim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm17o2r_Zoc

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-29, 4:26

This is a song in Pashai from northeastern Afghanistan. Pashai is a Dardic language, like Kalasha (which I posted a song in almost two months ago), spoken in various provinces in northeastern Afghanistan, although it is not particularly closely related to Kalasha and appears to form its own sub-branch within Dardic. Most speakers of Pashai are bilingual in Pashto. This song is sung by Karam Jan Sawdayee, apparently at the request of the uploader's uncle. :P It appears to be a combination of two songs, "Yadam Chanagai" and "Naiman Joraga":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUxUamaMmtM


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