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Is it called "mother land" or "father land"in your language?

Postby Lisi » 2015-01-21, 16:34

I am German. We call it "father land" (Vaterland) but I know Russians say it is their mother.

We Germans talk about our "mother language" ("Muttersprache").

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Postby Itikar » 2015-01-21, 17:01

In Italian we have patria generally, but we can also use the mixed form madrepatria. :P
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Postby ling » 2015-01-21, 17:05

In Chinese it's called 祖國 which means "ancestor land".
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Postby Weerwolf » 2015-01-21, 17:49

None of them. In Hungarian we have haza and hon (both meaning Heimat/ homeland). These words bear almost a sacral value. One could also say: szülőföld (Geburtsland/ birthland), szülőhaza (Geburtsheimat/ birth-homeland).

Anyaország (literally means Mutterland/ motherland) has in our time two meanings, none of them describes the same meaning like in German or Russian:
1)is used to describe the relations between Hungary (as a motherland) to the Hungarian-speaking minorities in the neighbouring country, for them is Hungary the ’anyaország’ --> due to the Treaty of Trianon 2/3 of the Hungarian territories were chopped off leaving large ethnic Hungarian-speaking communities in the neighbouring countries.

2) a land that has colonies.

Mother tongue is pretty simple in Hungarian: anyanyelv (anya = mother, nyelv = tongue).
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Postby TheStrayCat » 2015-01-21, 18:07

In Ukrainian, it's Батьківщина (bat'kivshchyna), literally meaning Fatherland.

When written with a capital letter, usually it means your home country. If not, it has a more narrow meaning and can mean, say, your hometown or the area where you were born.

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Postby melski » 2015-01-21, 18:14

In  (fr) French, we say la mère patrie (the motherland) or simply la patrie (like in Italian).

In  (wls) Wallisian, as far as I know, there is no such word as "mother/fatherland", but they use the word fenua that means both island, earth, country and homeland.
NB Wallis is a small island in the Pacific Ocean, therefore I don't think our concept of motherland/patrie could fit in
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Postby Lada » 2015-01-21, 19:58

Lisi wrote:I am German. We call it "father land" (Vaterland) but I know Russians say it is their mother.

It's not true :)
Родина has a root род that means "family/clan/origin etc." So actually it means "family land or birthland".
Отечество and отчизна are formed from "father", so it means "fatherland".

Mother tongue is called "родной язык" using the word with the same root род, so it means "family language, language of my clan".

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Postby ling » 2015-01-21, 20:00

In Thai, there's บ้านเกิดเมืองนอน "birth home lie land" - "home of your birth; land where you lie"
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Postby Levike » 2015-01-21, 20:13

In Hungarian:

haza = motherland (lit: ~homeland)
anyanyelv = mother tongue (lit: mother+tongue)

In Romanian:

partia / patria mamă = motherland (lit: fatherland / fatherland mother)
limba maternă = mother tongue (lit: language maternal)
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Postby Lisi » 2015-01-21, 20:15

Lada wrote:
Lisi wrote:I am German. We call it "father land" (Vaterland) but I know Russians say it is their mother.

It's not true :)
Родина has a root род that means "family/clan/origin etc." So actually it means "family land or birthland".
Отечество and отчизна are formed from "father", so it means "fatherland".

Mother tongue is called "родной язык" using the word with the same root род, so it means "family language, language of my clan".


Thanks for explaining, but isn't it also called Россия-Матушка?

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Postby IpseDixit » 2015-01-21, 20:18

melski wrote: (fr) la mère patrie (the motherland)


That actually would be something like "the mother-fatherland" (like  (it) madrepatria btw).

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Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-21, 20:54

In Malayalam, the Sanskrit loanword [ˈmaːd̪rɯbʱuːmi] means 'motherland', but the Dravidian word for the place that you call home is [ˈn̪aːɖɯ], which has nothing to do with either fathers or mothers AFAIK. I don't know of a Dravidian word for 'mother tongue', though - only the Sanskrit loanword [ˈmaːd̪rɯbʱa:ʃa].

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Postby lazyaficionado » 2015-01-21, 21:04

Lisi wrote:Thanks for explaining, but isn't it also called Россия-Матушка?
Yes, also Родина-мать (mother homeland) but outside of the right context it looks rather ridiculous. Nobody will call the country Mother Russia in an everyday conversation. :)

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Postby IpseDixit » 2015-01-21, 21:13

In  (lld) Ladin it's patria (fatherland) or tiera dl'oma (land of the mother).

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Postby TeneReef » 2015-01-22, 0:47

In Croatian, it's called domovina, meaning homeland (dom = home).
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Postby ling » 2015-01-22, 4:21

In Thai, there's มาตุภูมิ matuphuum (from Sanskrit - phuum = bhumi) This would mean "motherland".
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Postby Car » 2015-01-22, 12:48

Weerwolf wrote:Anyaország (literally means Mutterland/ motherland) has in our time two meanings, none of them describes the same meaning like in German or Russian:
2) a land that has colonies.

2) actually is called Mutterland in German. Actually, not just colonies (see here).
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Postby meidei » 2015-01-22, 14:19

Itikar wrote:madrepatria. :P


In Greek, the simple term is patrída (> Archaic patrís) which is basically the stem of the word "father" (patír/patéras) suffixed with the feminine noun suffix -ís/-ída. So it's basically "motherland", but it's derived from the word for "father", and not from "mother".

And on top of that, in Cyprus you get the fixed expression "mitéra patrída" ("mother motherland" or even "mother she-fatherland"). So in Cyprus, saying patrída means Cyprus itself, but mitéra patrída means either Greece or Turkey depending on the context. (Or both. eg, a former Cypriot president said "both motherlands invaded Cyprus in 1974").

As far as I know, the word in Turkish is "anavatan" (mother nation) and at least in Cyprus, it's the equivalent of "mitéra patrída" and not simply "patrída" (ie it refers to either Greek or Turkey, depending on the context).
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Postby Itikar » 2015-01-22, 15:15

meidei wrote:
Itikar wrote:madrepatria. :P


In Greek, the simple term is patrída (> Archaic patrís) which is basically the stem of the word "father" (patír/patéras) suffixed with the feminine noun suffix -ís/-ída. So it's basically "motherland", but it's derived from the word for "father", and not from "mother".

And on top of that, in Cyprus you get the fixed expression "mitéra patrída" ("mother motherland" or even "mother she-fatherland"). So in Cyprus, saying patrída means Cyprus itself, but mitéra patrída means either Greece or Turkey depending on the context. (Or both. eg, a former Cypriot president said "both motherlands invaded Cyprus in 1974").
Patria is feminine in Italian too!
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I've checked also: in Italian madrepatria is attested from 1774 as a calque of German Mutterland.

I wonder whether other languages took it from German as well.
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Re: Is it called "mother land" or "father land"in your language?

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-01-22, 16:51

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland
ling wrote:In Thai, there's มาตุภูมิ matuphuum (from Sanskrit - phuum = bhumi) This would mean "motherland".

Yep, that's the Thai pronunciation of the same Sanskrit loanword that's pronounced [ˈmaːd̪rɯbʱuːmi] in Malayalam. :) Same word exists in Khmer, too (something like [miətupʰuːm]). Although that article also says that Thai has ปิตุภูมิ pituphuum, which is the opposite. :lol:
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