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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Lazar Taxon » 2014-11-21, 3:21

razlem wrote:In which American dialects would you hear /nju:/ (new)? Now that I think about it myself I can't pin it down to any specific region. Anyone happen to know?
Well it's a traditional feature in parts of the coastal South, with a diphthong [ɪu]. It can also occur in the New York City area – I read somwhere that Jews traditionally used [nju:] while Italians used [nu:], but I don't know if there's anything to that. And sometimes I hear [nju:] from people from other parts of the country who sound pretty General American, particularly on TV. It might be something they've picked up.
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Postby linguoboy » 2014-11-21, 3:51

Lazar Taxon wrote:And sometimes I hear [nju:] from people from other parts of the country who sound pretty General American, particularly on TV. It might be something they've picked up.

One of my linguistics teachers, when teaching us about hypercorrection, reporting hearing [ˈnjʉːn] from an announcer on a Classical music station in the States.
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Marah » 2014-11-21, 16:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TXZSyPEsv4
Is there a specific name for this accent?
Par exemple, l'enfant croit au Père Noël. L'adulte non. L'adulte ne croit pas au Père Noël. Il vote.

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Re: Discussion Group

Postby linguoboy » 2014-11-22, 4:20

Sounds like typical Mancunian to me.
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Marah » 2014-11-22, 10:48

Thanks Linguoboy!
Par exemple, l'enfant croit au Père Noël. L'adulte non. L'adulte ne croit pas au Père Noël. Il vote.

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Re: Discussion Group

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-12-20, 21:43

What's the difference between revenge, vengeance and vendetta?

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Re: Discussion Group

Postby JackFrost » 2014-12-21, 0:11

Vendetta is a type of feud involving revenge and destruction. As for the other two, no difference really.
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Koko » 2014-12-22, 8:15

IpseDixit wrote:What's the difference between revenge, vengeance and vendetta?

Doesn't "vengeance" also apply to one's avenging someone, not only to their own revenge?
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-12-23, 21:35

What do you call the action of quickly alternating low and high beam headlamps in order to signal something to other drivers?

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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Ciarán12 » 2014-12-24, 16:13

IpseDixit wrote:What do you call the action of quickly alternating low and high beam headlamps in order to signal something to other drivers?


Flashing one's lights.
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Lazar Taxon » 2014-12-24, 16:27

It's the same over here, too.
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Koko » 2015-01-01, 8:58

How did "I'mma" arise?

If you know not what it means, it is a colloquial "I will."
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Dormouse559 » 2015-01-01, 10:20

It's a pretty transparent contraction of "I am going to" (I'm gonna > I'mma).
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby IpseDixit » 2015-01-01, 21:46

What's the difference (if any) between it helps to do and it helps with doing? Also, is it helps do acceptable?

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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Ciarán12 » 2015-01-01, 21:57

IpseDixit wrote:What's the difference (if any) between it helps to do and it helps with doing? Also, is it helps do acceptable?


I assume you mean as employed in such phrases as:
The sponge helps to clean the plates.
The sponge helps with cleaning the plates.
The sponge helps clean the plates.

All are acceptable, the last one is the one I would use the most, the second one is the one I'd use the least. I don't perceive any difference between them semantically. Although, if you want to say that a person helps out with doing something I would only use the last option.

The first structure, when used with it as the subject could cause some confusion as "It helps to clean the plates" can also mean that the act of cleaning the plates is beneficial, but context will almost always clarify what is actually meant.
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby IpseDixit » 2015-01-01, 21:59

Ciarán12 wrote:I assume you mean as employed in such phrases as:


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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Koko » 2015-01-01, 22:25

Is there a reason we usually borrow plurals from Italian, not the singular like from other Romance languages? I make reference to particularly food words like biscotti, spaghetti, linguine, etc. There are exceptions like bruschetta and gelato, but they are few of the ones I can recall promptly.
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Postby linguoboy » 2015-01-01, 22:41

Koko wrote:Is there a reason we usually borrow plurals from Italian, not the singular like from other Romance languages? I make reference to particularly food words like biscotti, spaghetti, linguine, etc. There are exceptions like bruschetta and gelato, but they are few of the ones I can recall promptly.

When's the last time you ate one spaghetto or one linguina?

Other singulars: arugula, radicchio, ossobucco, mortadella, risotto, semolina, pasta, pizza, polenta, prosciutto, pancetta, panforte, panettone, all cheeses (gorgonzola, mozzarella, parmigiano, ricotta, mascarpone, etc.), wines and spirits (Prosecco, grappa, amaretto, maraschino).
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Postby Koko » 2015-01-01, 22:47

True, but biscotti :shock: ?! Just a moment ago I ate un biscotto col mio caffè. Does biscotto really have to be plural in English? And then there are the drinks: bellini and martini. Why are these plural but mojito isn't (ie. mojitos)?
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Re: Discussion Group

Postby Koko » 2015-01-01, 22:50

linguoboy wrote:parmigiano

I think English "parmesan" is much more common.
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