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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-21, 18:50

Koko wrote:How do you drop the first /r/ in hamburger and surprise? Lengthen the vowel instead?

Why would I lengthen the vowel? These are unstressed syllables. You just reduce everything following the onset to a shwa.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2014-09-21, 19:32

I've never said /ˈlaɪbɛriː/ or heard /ˈlaɪbriː/, nor have I heard /ˈhæmbəɡɚ/. How about /ˈnuːkjəlɚ/? I used to say that until I taught myself to sayˈ/nuːkliːr/.

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-09-21, 19:50

mōdgethanc wrote:I've never said /ˈlaɪbɛriː/ or heard /ˈlaɪbriː/, nor have I heard /ˈhæmbəɡɚ/. How about /ˈnuːkjəlɚ/? I used to say that until I taught myself to sayˈ/nuːkliːr/.

I say /ˈnuːkliər/. I think everyone said /ˈnuːkjəlɚ/ at one point until they found out it was wrong. For me, it didn't help that my gr.1-2/3/4 teachers had resources (gr.1 more so) using the "nucular" spelling.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby TeneReef » 2014-09-22, 16:14

How do you pronounce interesting and comfortable in North American English?

/ˈɪnərestɪŋ/ or /ˈɪntrəstɪŋ/
/ˈkʌmftɚbəl/ or /ˈkʌmftəbəl/

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Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-22, 16:18

TeneReef wrote:How do you pronounce interesting and comfortable in North American English?

/ˈɪnərestɪŋ/ or /ˈɪntrəstɪŋ/
/ˈkʌmftɚbəl/ or /ˈkʌmftəbəl/

Are you asking us to choose one of each pair? In that case, I don't know if I can, because I'm pretty sure I use both, with a tendency to favour /ˈɪnərestɪŋ/ and /ˈkʌmftɚbəl/.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Youngfun » 2014-09-22, 16:43

Koko wrote:You've been taught to pronounce the a as /a/ in that word?

Most English teachers in Italy have a heavy Italian accent. Or don't bother to correct the accent in their students.

How do you drop the first /r/ in hamburger and surprise? Lengthen the vowel instead?

No, I don't. Of course, my non-native pronunciation is full of oddities. :lol:

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-09-22, 18:44

TeneReef wrote:How do you pronounce interesting and comfortable in North American English?

/ˈɪnərestɪŋ/ or /ˈɪntrəstɪŋ/
/ˈkʌmftɚbəl/ or /ˈkʌmftəbəl/

:hmm:

The second (the /ə/ in interesting more front) for both. If I'm really careful: /ˈɪntərˌɛstɪŋ/. However, I usually go for /ˈɪnnəɹstɪŋ/ (or /ˈɪntəɹstɪŋ/) spelt intersting or (if I'm going for a more phonemic one when I spelling when I want to write /ˈɪnnəɹstɪŋ/) innersting. I may also raise the /s/ if I'm in a more casual setting or just want to.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2014-09-25, 15:51

Koko wrote:However, I usually go for /ˈɪnnəɹstɪŋ/
I doubt you have a real geminated /n/ there.
I may also raise the /s/ if I'm in a more casual setting or just want to.
I don't know what this means. Explain, please.

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-09-26, 6:59

mōdgethanc wrote:
Koko wrote:However, I usually go for /ˈɪnnəɹstɪŋ/
I doubt you have a real geminated /n/ there.
Doubt all you want, it's one of the few words I have a geminate consonant. I sometimes geminate a /s/ and (only) across word boundaries a final consonant is sometimes geminated before a vowel. This is probably why I find the geminates easier to pronounce than most native English speakers would, no matter how rare it occurs in my speech. It may also be (along with my more conservative allophones) why a few (2) people think I have an accent.

I may also raise the /s/ if I'm in a more casual setting or just want to.
I don't know what this means. Explain, please.

I think I meant "lower the /s/," when the phoneme sounds somewhere between an esse and an esh, but pronounced like /s/. Sorry for my horrible description, I just know it's apical and sounds like an esh.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2014-09-27, 4:56

Koko wrote:Doubt all you want, it's one of the few words I have a geminate consonant.
Recordings or it didn't happen.
I sometimes geminate a /s/ and (only) across word boundaries a final consonant is sometimes geminated before a vowel. This is probably why I find the geminates easier to pronounce than most native English speakers would, no matter how rare it occurs in my speech. It may also be (along with my more conservative allophones) why a few (2) people think I have an accent.
What are you, an Italian or something?
I think I meant "lower the /s/," when the phoneme sounds somewhere between an esse and an esh, but pronounced like /s/. Sorry for my horrible description, I just know it's apical and sounds like an esh.
To be frank, this is why I'm doubtful of your claims above. I think you mean retracted, by the way.

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-09-27, 5:36

I'm a quarter Italian actually. And just because I can't describe how I slur my /s/ in "innersting" properly doesn't seem a good reason not to believe that I geminate consonants sometimes, because a) the two have nothing in common b) the /s/ I suck at describing is forced, not allophonic and finally c) since I've began linguistics, I've noticed some things about my speech and I realised final consonants can be geminated across word boundaries before a vowel-initial word. This usually happens with fricatives and when I stress (not place accent on) a plosive.

A recording wouldn't help, as the gemination is unpredictable.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby telruen » 2014-09-28, 12:48

A geminated /n/ in "interesting" would sound so weird that people would be giving you strange looks all the time.
Here's what a geminated /n/ sounds like:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... -panna.ogg

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-09-28, 17:58

I know what gemination sounds like on /n/. And nobody gives me weird looks, I doubt they even notice that much.
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Postby Koko » 2014-09-28, 23:13

Oh, I apparently didn't mention that /ˈɪnnəɹstɪŋ/ is also my pronunciation when I want to pronounce the word stupidly. So it's meant to sound weird anyways if one were to notice the double /n/ (geminate consonants don't sound weird). An intervocalic /l/ is sometimes geminated, too; I noticed this today when I said a brand name to myself and later in a sentence.

The fact that a forced pronunciation causes such skepticism baffles me: I stated before that it's forced, so it's not like you could've thought it was how I actual pronounce the word (I did say I pronounce "interesting" as /ˈɪntrəstɪŋ/). I even gave you a spelling of my idiotic variation: intersting and innersting (the latter being the more controversial).
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby hashi » 2014-09-28, 23:24

[ɪntʃɹɪstiŋ] for me if anyone is [ɪntʃɹɪstɪd]. The [ɪ] may be [ɘ], but I can't tell.

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Postby dEhiN » 2014-09-30, 14:20

hashi wrote:[ɪntʃɹɪstiŋ] for me if anyone is [ɪntʃɹɪstɪd]. The [ɪ] may be [ɘ], but I can't tell.

For me, it's both [ɪntɹɘstiŋ] and [ɪntɹɘstɘd].
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Postby mōdgethanc » 2014-10-01, 15:55

dEhiN wrote:
hashi wrote:[ɪntʃɹɪstiŋ] for me if anyone is [ɪntʃɹɪstɪd]. The [ɪ] may be [ɘ], but I can't tell.

For me, it's both [ɪntɹɘstiŋ] and [ɪntɹɘstɘd].
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Youngfun » 2014-10-02, 5:03

And you're both from Tuh-ronno!

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Mars80 » 2014-10-04, 17:10

How is the word "broccoli" pronounced for those with the lot-cloth split? Is it pronounced "brawkly" or "brockly"?

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2014-10-04, 19:03

Mars80 wrote:How is the word "broccoli" pronounced for those with the lot-cloth split? Is it pronounced "brawkly" or "brockly"?

For me, it goes with lot (i.e. /ɑ/).
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