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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Lazar Taxon » 2014-10-06, 14:42

linguoboy wrote:
Lowena wrote:Does anyone pronounce words like "thing", "think", and "drink" with a lowered vowel so it sounds somewhat like /e/? I do often.

Only in jest, when I'm deliberately imitating an AAVE pronunciation (e.g. in catchphrases like "Ain't no thang").

What he said. In those words I use a boring, unraised, unlowered [ɪ].
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-10-15, 2:48

How do you pronounce the word "aesthetic?" I've always said /ɛsˈθɛtɪk(h)/.
 (it) Correggimi per favore (se lo sbaglio è grave, sennò non correggermi perché potrei correggermelo da solo)  (bg) Българският не е руски  (cs) Jsem krásný jazyk. :D ^^

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2014-10-17, 2:32

I've noticed there is a lot of variation in whether words with sth are /sθ/ or /st/. I think in aesthetic I say it with /θ/, but I'm not sure if I do every time.

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Postby TaylorS » 2014-11-15, 7:16

Koko wrote:How do you pronounce the word "aesthetic?" I've always said /ɛsˈθɛtɪk(h)/.


[ɛsˈt̪ɛɾɨ̞ʔk]
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Postby TaylorS » 2014-11-15, 7:19

JackFrost wrote:Well I guess either spelling or the English [ɾ] doesn't sound exactly like yours.


Spainish [ɾ] and English [ɾ] sound identical to my American ears.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2014-11-15, 7:27

"trepanning"

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby TaylorS » 2014-11-15, 7:28

Koko wrote:How do you guys pronounce:

1. will (future copula)
2. symmetry
3. asymmetry
4. symmetrical


[wɪʟ̞]
[ˈsɪmɨ̞ʈʂɻi]
[əˈsɪmɨ̞ʈʂɻi] ~ [eˈsɪmɨ̞ʈʂɻi]
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Postby TeneReef » 2014-11-15, 14:04

TaylorS wrote:
JackFrost wrote:Well I guess either spelling or the English [ɾ] doesn't sound exactly like yours.


Spainish [ɾ] and English [ɾ] sound identical to my American ears.


It's because both languages lack the [d] ~ [ɾ] contrast.
In Brazilian Portuguese and Southern and Central European Portuguese, there's a [d] ~ [ɾ] contrast,
I guess some Americans would hear both fado and faro the same,
but some of them would not. Not all Americans have IPA [ɾ] for intervocalic t's/d's,
many use IPA [ t̬ ] instead, where the tongue contact with the palate is different, and there's no vibration (by definition IPA [ɾ] is a vibrant, it has one single vibration, compared to IPA [r] which has two or more, I don't hear any vibration in intervocalic t's/d's of American English, I hear one single vibration in Spanish/Portuguese/Italian amoroso).
[ɾ] is always alveolar, [ t̬ ] is usually pronounced at the border between the alveolar ridge and the soft palate.
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Postby Lazar Taxon » 2014-11-15, 14:16

I remember an event in high school where they had one of my classmates sing a song in Spanish – he had a good voice but a poor grasp of the language, and he managed to use [ɾ] in place of [ð]. It was… painful to listen to.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-11-25, 11:09

mōdgethanc wrote:"trepanning"

Never seen that word before. I can only guess.

[tʃʰɹ̥ɨˈpʰænɪŋ]? :P

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2014-12-01, 7:46

TaylorS wrote:[wɪʟ̞]
[ˈsɪmɨ̞ʈʂɻi]
[əˈsɪmɨ̞ʈʂɻi] ~ [eˈsɪmɨ̞ʈʂɻi]
[sɨ̞ˈmɛʔʈʂɻɨ̞kʟ̞]

Do you actually have velar laterals? Or are you just confusing them for velarised alveolar laterals? I'm also a little confused by the glottal stop you apparently have in symmetrical :| , but whatev.

I've noticed how lazy I was when telling my pronunciations of those words: the "[t]" should be a [ɾ]. As well, the [tr] should have affrication of [t].
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Aóristos » 2014-12-01, 9:57

My pronunciation:
/wɪl̩/
/ˈsɪmɪtʃ͡ɹiː/
/əˈsɪmɪtʃ͡ɹiː/
/səˈmɛtʃ͡ɹɪkl̩/
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby hashi » 2015-01-29, 1:36

If you say contact centre fast, do you pronounce the second <c> in contact?

ie. is it [kɔntɛkt] or [kɔntɛt]?

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Postby linguoboy » 2015-01-29, 1:51

hashi wrote:If you say contact centre fast, do you pronounce the second <c> in contact?

ie. is it [kɔntɛkt] or [kɔntɛt]?
Ow, those crazy Niw Zillend vewels!

I have [ˈkʰɑntæk̚]. IMD, /kts/ routinely simplifies to [ks]. I remember being mocked in class for pronouncing sects as sex.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby hashi » 2015-01-29, 8:10

linguoboy wrote:
hashi wrote:If you say contact centre fast, do you pronounce the second <c> in contact?

ie. is it [kɔntɛkt] or [kɔntɛt]?
Ow, those crazy Niw Zillend vewels!
Haha shh. So I used the wrong vowel; it should have been [ɒ] rather than [ɔ]. IDK, a lot of the back vowels sound the same to me.

I have [ˈkʰɑntæk̚]. IMD, /kts/ routinely simplifies to [ks]. I remember being mocked in class for pronouncing sects as sex.
I would drop the [t] in sects also TBH.

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2015-01-29, 13:35

hashi wrote:
linguoboy wrote:
hashi wrote:If you say contact centre fast, do you pronounce the second <c> in contact?

ie. is it [kɔntɛkt] or [kɔntɛt]?
Ow, those crazy Niw Zillend vewels!
Haha shh. So I used the wrong vowel; it should have been [ɒ] rather than [ɔ].
Actually I was referring to the [ɛ] in the second syllable.
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Postby hashi » 2015-01-29, 19:39

linguoboy wrote:Actually I was referring to the [ɛ] in the second syllable.
Thought you might have been ;) Sah crazy >.>

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Koko » 2015-02-02, 5:24

hashi wrote:If you say contact centre fast, do you pronounce the second <c> in contact?

ie. is it [kɔntɛkt] or [kɔntɛt]?

I think it depends on my mood. Normally if I'm in a good mood, no matter how fast I say it it will always come out [ˈkɑntækt]. If I'm upset, it usually becomes [ks] rather than being [kts]. Probably because when I'm good I'm subconsciously making sure that I keep clusters the same, and when I'm in a bad mood I just don't care.
 (it) Correggimi per favore (se lo sbaglio è grave, sennò non correggermi perché potrei correggermelo da solo)  (bg) Българският не е руски  (cs) Jsem krásný jazyk. :D ^^

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby IpseDixit » 2015-02-02, 14:40

Is it possible that in some British accents fatter and factor are pronounced in the same way?

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Postby NickPR » 2015-02-02, 17:52

To my knowledge, that would never be categorical. At best, they could sometimes be homophonous, never in Estuary English or RP, but maybe in Geordie or the Norfolk dialect. I'm not sure about either of them. Try to borrow Accents of English 2: The British Isles from your library.

Anyway:
- /t/ in /VtV/ contexts is usually not pre-glottalised [ʔt] (it's plain wrong in RP), but is often glottalised to [ʔ] in informal speech.
- /k/ in the /VktV/ context is usually released in a "masked" manner, i.e. more or less simultaneously with /t/: [k̚t], and may also be pre-glottalized [ʔk̚t]. According to John Wells, a "non-masked" release [kt] sounds Welsh or South African.
- I suppose /k/ in the /VktV/ context could be pronounced [VʔtV] in informal speech, but I'm not sure.

So, let's list all of the relevant UK pronunciations. NRP means "non-RP", and WO means "Wales only".
fatter [ˈfatə], NRP [ˈfaʔtə], NRP [ˈfaʔə]
factor [ˈfak̚tə], [ˈfaʔk̚tə], NRP [ˈfaʔtə] (?), NRP-WO [ˈfaktə], NRP-WO [ˈfaʔktə]

I'm not sure about (Northern) Ireland and South West England.

Further reading: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/glottals2-colour.pdf


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