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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Levo » 2010-04-22, 22:03

Thanks.
So, why I hear the stress on different sylabelles is rather because of the intonation?

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby ciuppo2000 » 2010-04-23, 6:01

Hello Levo!

Generally the reason is that usually words with more than two syllables have two kind of stress: a PRIMARY STRESS and a SECONDARY STRESS.

For instance in the English word EXPECTATION there is a stress on the first syllable [ex] (the secondary stress) and one on the syllable [ta] (the primary stress).

In a normal conversation it is not always possible to "detect" this secondary stress, but speaking slowly and especially using an overstressed/over the top intonation this secondary stress is fully "detectable" and easily mixed up for a primary stress.

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Levo » 2010-04-24, 17:17

ciuppo2000 wrote:Hello Levo!

Generally the reason is that usually words with more than two syllables have two kind of stress: a PRIMARY STRESS and a SECONDARY STRESS.

For instance in the English word EXPECTATION there is a stress on the first syllable [ex] (the secondary stress) and one on the syllable [ta] (the primary stress).

In a normal conversation it is not always possible to "detect" this secondary stress, but speaking slowly and especially using an overstressed/over the top intonation this secondary stress is fully "detectable" and easily mixed up for a primary stress.

Ciuppo2000 :)

Clear. Thanks! :)

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Levo » 2010-05-17, 8:53

Sveiki!

A question: there is the word "mébeles"
It wasn´t written at this word that it would be a plural form. Is it the singular?
And if it is, then what is the plural?

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby mak » 2010-05-17, 16:56

mēbele (sg) - a piece of furniture
mēbeles (pl) - furniture

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Levo » 2010-05-17, 18:04

Okay.
That book pretends that it always marks when it shows the plural form, and here it didn't :n:

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Halbarad65 » 2011-01-27, 14:32

Labdien ! Es esmu Benoît Berthe. Mans vārds ir Benoît, mans uzvārds ir Berthe.
Es esmu students. Es no Francija. Es runāju angļu, franciski, vāciski un bulgāriski. :D
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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby lang » 2011-02-28, 5:41

What does šito mean? Is it slang? (Google translate doesn't know)
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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby mak » 2011-02-28, 16:52

šis = this
tas = that
šitas = thisthat :D

šitas = this / that / it

It's considered bad style to use it but everybody does it anyway, even educated speakers such as teachers and professors.

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Sol Invictus » 2011-03-01, 3:03

I woul argue that it is only "this", or at best "that particular"

It means How will I remember this?
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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby lang » 2011-03-01, 6:46

Thanks for the translation Sol. I was going to ask what is šito in particular, instead of šitas (although probably very similar), so thanks for clearing that up.

I don't actually speak Latviešu valoda, only know very basic stuff, so mak the google link was useless to me, although thanks anyway! I did try googling šitos before and try to work it out, but no avail.

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby mak » 2011-03-01, 15:29

šito is šitas in the accusative case.

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Sol Invictus » 2011-03-25, 21:48

I accedently found a nice list of sites useful for learning Latvian http://www.aizbraukt.lv/valstis/latvija/rokasgramata/latviesu-valoda-interneta/

Aslo I think I've managed to nail down all three intonations. The thing is that it is said that two of them have merged in some dialects, which made me currious if it is true for mine. I've added audio, let's see if you can tell any diffrence
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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby linguoboy » 2011-11-28, 17:14

Atpakaļbraucot no operteātra ar autobusu, lasīju latviešu valodas mācību grāmatu. Man blakus sēdoša jaunkundze pagrieztās pret mani un sacīja:

"Vai tā ir īsta valoda?"

Es paskatījos uz viņu un jautāju, "Vai tas ir īsts jautājums?"

[Es atvainojos par slikto latviešu valodu. Lūdzu izlabojiet!]
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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby mak » 2011-11-28, 20:33

Tavai latviešu valodai nav ne vainas :)

Daži sīkumi, kurus var neņemt vērā:

1) Atpakaļbraucot => braucot atpakaļ skan labāk
2) no operteātra => no operas skan labāk
3) sēdoša => sēdošā skan labāk, ja tev blakus sēdēja tikai viens cilvēks, kā tas parasti autobusos ir
4) pagrieztās => pagriezās (drukas kļūda?)
5) jautāju, => jautāju: ir pareizāk, ja tiešā runa atrodas aiz piebildes info, vēl info
6) Es atvainojos => atvainojiet. "es atvainojos" esot nepareizi, jo "atvainoties" ir atgriezenisks darbības vārds un ja tu saki "es atvainojos", tad sanāk, ka tu atvainojies sev, kas esot nepareizi. Pareizi esot "atvainojiet". Bet visi tāpat saka "es atvainojos".

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby linguoboy » 2011-11-28, 21:50

Paldies par labojumus, Mak! Bet vot viens, ko es nesaprotu:
mak wrote:5) jautāju, => jautāju: ir pareizāk, ja tiešā runa atrodas aiz piebildes info, vēl info

Kadu darbības vārdu vajadzētu izmantot?
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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby mak » 2011-11-28, 22:47

linguoboy wrote:Paldies par labojumiem, Mak! Bet vot viens, ko es nesaprotu:
mak wrote:5) jautāju, => jautāju: ir pareizāk, ja tiešā runa atrodas aiz piebildes info, vēl info

Kādu darbības vārdu vajadzētu izmantot?

Emm, darbības vārds ir pareizais, bet ja tiešā runa (tā teikuma daļa, kas ir pēdiņās) ir aiz piebildes (teikuma daļa, kas nav pēdiņās), tad latviešu valodā pirms pēdiņām lieto kolu, nevis komatu, kā to biji darījis tu.

Mak atbildēja: "Jālieto kols, nevis komats."

Kā jau teicu, sīkums :)

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Re: Latvian discussion group

Postby Sol Invictus » 2011-11-29, 11:17

Sēdošā, nevis sēdoša ir nevis vienkārši labāk, bet tas ir divdabis, kuram vajag noteiktu galotni, jo ir runa tieši par vienu īpašu blakussēdētāju, nevis jebkuru pasažieri, tas tāpat kā angliski tu teiktu the, nevis a. Un, man šķiet, ka labais stils te būtu teikt atgriežoties, nevis braucot atpakaļ (jo ar atpakaļ uzsvars vairāk tā kā ir uz to vietu uz kuru tu brauc un man kaut kā prasās norāde uz kurieni tieši). Pirms jautājuma tā kā būtu jāraksta jautāja, nevis sacīja. Un, manuprāt, vajadzētu teikt autobusā, nevis ar autobusu (būtiskāk tā kā ir tas kur tu lasīji grāmatu, nevis ar ko tu brauci), bet tad ir jāpārveido teikuma sākums
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