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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Levike » 2014-07-17, 15:21

"Dafür ist die Welt zu verwoben, ..."

Ich habe diesen Teil nicht verstanden.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Samira » 2014-07-29, 12:26

Levike wrote:"Dafür ist die Welt zu verwoben, ..."

Ich habe diesen Teil nicht verstanden.


Sinnbildlich so gemeint, als wenn man die Welt als eine Art Netz sieht. Verwoben =miteinander verknüpft/vernetzt . Ich kenne den Satz davor nicht, aber sowas ist höchstwahrscheinlich damit gemeint.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Lauren » 2014-08-12, 0:06

There's something I've been wondering for awhile. In words where the end of the syllable is '-ar', is it ever pronounced as /a(:)/, like in colloquial speech or dialects? For example, the word "wunderbar".
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby thepolishguy » 2014-08-18, 16:59

Wiese (1996:254) wrote:As first discussed in § 6.3.1, there is a tendency to neutralize the distinction between [a(ː)], [aɐ̯], and [ɐ]. That is, Oda, Radar, and Oder have final syllables which are perceptually very similar, and are nearly or completely identical in some dialects. Recall that the actual vowel length of unstressed open syllables is an open issue, leading some authors to assume 'half-length' here. However, final schwa and vocalized [ɐ] are the only vowels which are unambiguously short in open syllables.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby aisha93 » 2014-09-02, 7:53

hello ich bin aisha
ich habe nur 6 Monaten deutsch gelernt , Lesen und Horen sind für mich nicht große Probleme
aber ich habe immer eine Schwierigkeit beim schreiben ..
weil wir im Deutschkurs nicht viel schreiben ..


es freut mich wenn ich meine fehle mit euch korrigieren .. :oops:

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby hashi » 2014-09-05, 6:40

Hey guys. This has probably been asked before, so apologies if it has.

The biggest obstacle I'm finding with German so far is getting my head around the articles. Does anyone know of any good resources to help learn these?

Thanks :)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-05, 16:59

hashi wrote:The biggest obstacle I'm finding with German so far is getting my head around the articles. Does anyone know of any good resources to help learn these?

"Getting your head around them" in what way?

Textbooks vary in how they teach them. Traditionally, the were ordered nominative - genitive - dative - accusative. But most modern textbooks go in order of frequency, i.e. nominative - accusative - dative - genitive. The traditional order allowed me to come up with this mnemonic for the masculine singular forms:

der
des
dem
den

That is, r before s and m before n, just as they are in the alphabet. The "m before n" rule is also applicable to adjective declension:

mit einem braven Hund
dem kleinen alten Mann

Once you have those down, the neuter singular are the same except that das is both the nominative and the accusative form. The feminine has only two forms, N-A die and G-D der and the plural for all genders is identical to the feminine singular except for dative den. (And the way I remember this is that nouns take -(e)n in the dative plural, e.g. den kleinen alten Männern.)
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby hashi » 2014-09-06, 4:37

linguoboy wrote:
hashi wrote:The biggest obstacle I'm finding with German so far is getting my head around the articles. Does anyone know of any good resources to help learn these?

"Getting your head around them" in what way?
Mostly being able to remember which one for which case/number. It's what put me off German last time I took it up. I've never learned a language with more cases than English, or more than 2 genders (and Swedish doesn't even really use them properly).

What I was hoping is if there was a particular set of exercises somewhere that were good for helping remember them. Honestly, simply trying to memorise tables really doesn't work for me. However, what you've explained does help a lot, so thanks :)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-06, 13:18

hashi wrote:What I was hoping is if there was a particular set of exercises somewhere that were good for helping remember them. Honestly, simply trying to memorise tables really doesn't work for me. However, what you've explained does help a lot, so thanks :)

Honestly, the best thing is to memorise phrases, so you always have a model you can go back to as necessary. Phrases like "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" or "Aus der neuen Welt" or "Fettes Brot". (This is where listening to music really comes in handy.)

Do you know your pronouns? Then you have another easy set of mnemonics:

er - der
sein - des
ihm - dem
ihn - den

es - das
seiner - des
ihm - dem
es - das

sie - die
ihr - der
ihr - der
sie - die

(The plural is left as an exercise for the student.)
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby hashi » 2014-09-06, 13:24

linguoboy wrote:
hashi wrote:What I was hoping is if there was a particular set of exercises somewhere that were good for helping remember them. Honestly, simply trying to memorise tables really doesn't work for me. However, what you've explained does help a lot, so thanks :)

Honestly, the best thing is to memorise phrases, so you always have a model you can go back to as necessary. Phrases like "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" or "Aus der neuen Welt" or "Fettes Brot". (This is where listening to music really comes in handy.)
Yeah, music is usually a big part of my approach for that reason. That coupled with other obvious advantages like listening comprehension and getting better at butchering the language while singing :whistle:

Thanks for the tips though, will add them to my folder of useful stuff :)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Car » 2014-09-06, 19:50

I don't think there's anything that makes it easier apart from learning the rules that do exist and try to absorb as much through music, videos or any kind of text, really. Most of the time, getting the article wrong isn't a problem, though, we're used to non-natives getting it wrong and people don't mind. For some words, there are (regional) differences when it comes to the gender anyway.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby hashi » 2014-09-07, 1:12

Car wrote:For some words, there are (regional) differences when it comes to the gender anyway.
Greeeaaaaaaaaaat :roll:

In any case, I don't want to be one of the foreigners who routinely gets something so fundamental wrong all the time ;)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Car » 2014-09-07, 17:59

hashi wrote:
Car wrote:For some words, there are (regional) differences when it comes to the gender anyway.
Greeeaaaaaaaaaat :roll:

In any case, I don't want to be one of the foreigners who routinely gets something so fundamental wrong all the time ;)

It means you're less likely to get it wrong. ;)

Really, it's no big deal, it happens even to people who can speak German well, people realise it's one of the most difficult aspects.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Marah » 2014-09-07, 18:07

I think that quickly you'll start seeing patterns and you'll be able to guess (pretty well but not perfectly) what the genders are. Feminine genders are usually obvious. Now, whether it's a neutral or masculine word that's harder to guess though.
Par exemple, l'enfant croit au Père Noël. L'adulte non. L'adulte ne croit pas au Père Noël. Il vote.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby hashi » 2014-09-08, 20:49

Marah wrote:I think that quickly you'll start seeing patterns and you'll be able to guess (pretty well but not perfectly) what the genders are. Feminine genders are usually obvious. Now, whether it's a neutral or masculine word that's harder to guess though.
Yeah I've started picking that up as well. I've also read that feminine is the most common gender, so if you don't know, default to die.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-08, 20:58

Marah wrote:I think that quickly you'll start seeing patterns and you'll be able to guess (pretty well but not perfectly) what the genders are. Feminine genders are usually obvious.

Which, paradoxically, makes the non-obvious one super obnoxious. Die Butter, for instance, is just egregious. Fortunately, in this case der Butter is a regional alternative.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Levike » 2014-09-09, 13:21

Ich weiß nicht warum aber diese Woche
hatten wir viele Deutschen in unserem Hotel.

Und ich habe mit ein Paar gesprochen
und es gang ... ziemlich gut.
Ich hatte Probleme nur wenn sie eine Mundart zu benutzen begonnen haben.

In welcher Mundart sagt man natürlik statt natürlich?

Ein Kunde hat mir das gesagt
und nun kann ich mich nur fragen
Hungarian (hu) Nem egy nap alatt épült Buda vára. _______German (de) Wo ein Wille ist, da ist auch ein Weg.
English (en) Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. __Spanish (es) No hay ceguera peor que no querer mirar.
Romanian (ro) Nu întinde arcul până nu este bine aşezată săgeata.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-09, 14:38

Levike wrote:In welcher Mundart sagt man natürlik statt natürlich?

Niederländisch.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby modus.irrealis » 2014-09-16, 13:00

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "Fehler" und "Irrtum"? Im German Translation Game habe ich versucht, den Satz "Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes" zu übersetzen, und zuerst habe ich "mistake" mit "Fehler" übersetzt, aber dann habe ich es gegoogelt, und man übersetzt es in diesem Satz fast immer mit "Irrtum". Warum?

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby kevin » 2014-09-16, 15:34

Ich hätte es auch als Fehler übersetzt.

Irrtum ist spezifischer, würde ich sagen: Man kann auch einen Fehler machen, ohne sich zu irren (d.h. bewusst eine Annahme zu machen, die aber tatsächlich nicht zutrifft).


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