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Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby modus.irrealis » 2014-09-17, 9:01

Danke.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-19, 17:41

Ist "Gegennummer" für euch ein Begriff?

Ich frage mich, ob ich das Wort einfach erfunden habe. Ich hab es benutzt mit der Bedeutung "Kollege, der dieselbe Arbeit macht", aber das steht in keinem Wörterbuch. Im Internet taucht das Wort nur selten auf, und dann nur in Bezug zu einem zweiteilbaren Zettel mit derselben Zahl auf beiden Teilen (wie z.B. bei Garderoben und Lotterien).
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby kevin » 2014-09-19, 19:13

Also mir ist das Wort nicht geläufig. In den meisten von den seltenen Fällen, die Google findet, ist es natürlich trotzdem nachvollziehbar, was damit gemeint ist. Aber in dem Sinn, in dem du es gebrauchst, klingt es für meine Ohren seltsam.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby modus.irrealis » 2014-09-19, 21:06

Heute habe ich folgendes gehört, als ich an der Kasse angestanden habe:

Kassiererin: Haben Sie eine Payback-Karte?
Kundin: Habe ich keine.

Warum steht das Verb an erster Stelle im Satz? Vielleicht habe ich falsch gehört, aber ist so ein Satz möglich, und wenn ja, wie unterscheidet er sich vom normalen Satz "Ich habe keine"?

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Car » 2014-09-20, 10:09

linguoboy wrote:Ist "Gegennummer" für euch ein Begriff?

Nein, das Wort habe ich noch nie gehört und ich hätte es auch nie im Leben so verstanden, wie du es gemeint hast.

@modus: Für mich wäre dort nur "Habe ich nicht" allenfalls noch akzeptabel, aber "Habe ich keine" klingt für mich einfach nur falsch.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby kevin » 2014-09-20, 11:55

Das klingt für mich nicht unnatürlich oder sogar falsch, aber vielleicht ist es regional. "Nee, hab ich keine" könnte ich durchaus auch selbst gesagt haben. Ich glaube, das ist ein abgekürztes "das habe ich keine" (auf Schwäbisch würde ich jedenfalls "nôi, des hanne kôine" sagen) - was ich nun zugegebenermaßen syntaktisch auch nicht viel einfacher zu erklären finde, aber immerhin würde dann die Wortstellung passen. ;)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-20, 12:52

kevin wrote:Das klingt für mich nicht unnatürlich oder sogar falsch, aber vielleicht ist es regional. "Nee, hab ich keine" könnte ich durchaus auch selbst gesagt haben. Ich glaube, das ist ein abgekürztes "das habe ich keine" (auf Schwäbisch würde ich jedenfalls "nôi, des hanne kôine" sagen) - was ich nun zugegebenermaßen syntaktisch auch nicht viel einfacher zu erklären finde, aber immerhin würde dann die Wortstellung passen. ;)

Wollte ich auch sagen. Die Syntax kann ich auch nicht erklären, aber die Version mit "keine" klingt für mich durchaus normal und hätte ich auch mal spontan sagen können.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Car » 2014-09-21, 10:27

kevin wrote:Das klingt für mich nicht unnatürlich oder sogar falsch, aber vielleicht ist es regional. "Nee, hab ich keine" könnte ich durchaus auch selbst gesagt haben. Ich glaube, das ist ein abgekürztes "das habe ich keine" (auf Schwäbisch würde ich jedenfalls "nôi, des hanne kôine" sagen) - was ich nun zugegebenermaßen syntaktisch auch nicht viel einfacher zu erklären finde, aber immerhin würde dann die Wortstellung passen. ;)

"das habe ich keine" klingt für mich noch schlimmer... Mit "Nee" oder etwas Ähnlichem am Anfang klingt es aber schon besser.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby j0nas » 2014-10-02, 9:02

Hat jemand einen guten Ausdrück für das Englische "opinion gap"?

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Koko » 2014-11-11, 4:14

(haven't seen a topic for questions or anything, so I figure this is the best place)

Do nouns that become plural via umlaut i.e strong nouns (non-monosyllabic) remain the same when declined? The course I'm using just gives the declensions for (masc.) -C, (fem.) -e, and (n.) -C so far I've seen. Actually, I've just assumed this pattern. It doesn't actually say whether or not these patterns are 100% actual paradigms.

So how would Mädchen, Mütter, Väder, etc be declined?
 (it) Correggimi per favore (se lo sbaglio è grave, sennò non correggermi perché potrei correggermelo da solo)  (bg) Българският не е руски  (cs) Jsem krásný jazyk. :D ^^

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby kevin » 2014-11-11, 8:27

You mean the forms are the same in the plural? Because the fact that they have umlaut in the plural already means that something changes when they are declined.

Anyway, it's only true for Mädchen (and that one has the umlaut already in the singular - it comes from the diminutive, not the plural). For the other two examples, dative plural is den Müttern, den Vätern.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mädchen#Declension
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vater#Declension
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mutter#Declension

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Koko » 2014-11-11, 19:27

I mean that do they remain the same as nominative. But you answered my question :) Thanks
 (it) Correggimi per favore (se lo sbaglio è grave, sennò non correggermi perché potrei correggermelo da solo)  (bg) Българският не е руски  (cs) Jsem krásný jazyk. :D ^^

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Car » 2014-11-13, 8:59

You can also use http://www.canoo.net/ to look up declensions, among many other features.
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Martine » 2014-11-29, 19:48

Hallo Leute :)

Ich mache meine Deutschausgabe und ich habe ein Problem. Ich muss ein Word aus drei andere wählen. Hier gibt's: "Ich würde gern kommen, aber bei mir passiert es leider nicht. Mir ist etwas daneben/davor/dazwischen gekommen". Was passiert hier? Ich habe keine Ahnung.

Ich denke, dass Deutsch sehr kompliziert ist, aber ich möchte gern es einmal lernen.

Bitte, korrigiert meine Fehler.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Levike » 2014-11-29, 20:29

Hmm, Ich würde "dazwischen" sagen, denn ich würde es auf Ungarisch so sagen.

Aber das ist nur meine Vermutung.
Hungarian (hu) Nem egy nap alatt épült Buda vára. _______German (de) Wo ein Wille ist, da ist auch ein Weg.
English (en) Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. __Spanish (es) No hay ceguera peor que no querer mirar.
Romanian (ro) Nu întinde arcul până nu este bine aşezată săgeata.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Reinder » 2014-11-29, 21:11

Levike wrote:Hmm, Ich würde "dazwischen" sagen, denn ich würde es auf Ungarisch so sagen.
Ich würde in der Tat auch "dazwischen" sagen. Für mich ist die richtige Redensart: "Mir ist etwas dazwischen gekommen".
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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-11-29, 21:22

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Martine » 2014-11-30, 8:59

Vielen, vielen Dank, Levike, Reinder und inguoboy.

Levike lernst du ponlisch? Wie ja, ich kann dir immer helfen :)

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Levike » 2014-11-30, 12:42

Ja, hier muss ich bei meiner Universität Polnish lernen.

Eine witzige Sprache, momentan finde ich nur den Wortschatz ein bisschen schwierig :wink:
Hungarian (hu) Nem egy nap alatt épült Buda vára. _______German (de) Wo ein Wille ist, da ist auch ein Weg.
English (en) Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. __Spanish (es) No hay ceguera peor que no querer mirar.
Romanian (ro) Nu întinde arcul până nu este bine aşezată săgeata.

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Re: Fragegruppe für Fortgeschrittene (Discussion Group)

Postby Dr. House » 2014-12-09, 10:48

I brauche hilfe. Kann jemand diese Sätze nach Schweizerdeutsch übersetzen? Dankeschön. Scheissegal welcher dialekt. (Bern, Zürich, Basel, dörfer)

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