Prosper_Youplaboum wrote:Thanks, and what sounds "southern" in her accent?
Prosper_Youplaboum wrote:Thanks, I didn't even know there were dialects with such pronunciations for g and ch in Dutch. Looks like most learning books only mention the hard pronunciations. It's a pity.
Is it southern too to pronounce the r's like [ʀ]?
Prosper_Youplaboum wrote:In French the most common r isn't an uvular trill like that, but rather an uvular fricative [ʁ]. That singer's r's sound foreign to me (but nice)
PiotrR wrote:Moritz wrote:The Flemish R of Tussentaal (not the official one which is a slightly uvularised alveolar flap) oscillates between [ʀ] (uvular trill) and its "fricative" counterpart, in every context.
Sorry, what you wrote is just too much of a generalization.
Verhoeven (2005) writes that:
"The phonological system of Belgian Dutch has free variation between an alveolar and uvular trill. The alveolar trill is most frequent and geographically most widely distributed. The uvular trill is regionally confined to the cities of Ghent and Brussels and the province of Limburg, but estimates suggest that it is gaining fast in popularity (Van Reenen 1994)."
PiotrR wrote:Moritz wrote:
Sorry, I'm either blind or this completely contradicts what you wrote before:
Verhoeven, on the other hand, says it's neither, because both alveolar and uvular /r/ are standard.
Do you have an access to a reliable source that would contradict that?
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