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Sounds like French?

Postby hindupridemn » 2013-01-09, 23:49

Portuguese reads like Spanish, but I think it sounds more like French. Anyone else think so?

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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby MillMaths » 2013-01-09, 23:52

It sounds like Spanish with nasal vowels.

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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby Lazar Taxon » 2013-01-10, 2:09

There was a post on Language Log recently about how European Portuguese is undergoing some of the same reductive processes that gave us modern French.
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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby JackFrost » 2013-01-10, 3:53

It sounds way too off to be closer to French than to Spanish. I know they're all Romance languages, but Spanish and Portuguese share the same branch in the family whereas French has its own. And it's obvious why they're classified like that.
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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby MillMaths » 2013-01-10, 10:53

It is the nasal vowels and the /ʒ/ sound that make it sound like French.

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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby uvulartrill » 2013-01-10, 11:13

I don't think it sounds French. European Portuguese sounds somewhat Slavic though.

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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby Dr. House » 2013-01-11, 16:36

It doesn't sound like French at all :) When I first heard it, it took me like 10 seconds to know it's not Russian :)
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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby BlackZ » 2013-01-11, 17:18

Does Brazilian Portuguese sound slavic to you guys too?
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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby uvulartrill » 2013-01-11, 18:09

I haven't heard much of it, but no. It sounds a bit like Catalan mixed with Dutch.

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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby osias » 2013-01-15, 13:54

uvulartrill wrote:I haven't heard much of it, but no. It sounds a bit like Catalan mixed with Dutch.
The Catalan part I agree, but Dutch?!?
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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby Dr. House » 2013-01-15, 15:24

Well there's a certain similarity between the Brazilian Portuguese and Dutch.

For example the ê in inglês sounds like ee in geen. And there are more cases when the e sounds like ey.
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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby uvulartrill » 2013-01-15, 16:47

Like Dutch because of the uvular /r/ and heavily velarized /l/ in all (non-coda) positions in some speakers' speech, both of which are rather common in the Netherlands. Especially given the fact that Brazilian /r/ can be a voiceless velar or voiceless uvular fricative, both of which are common realizations of northern Dutch <g> and/or <ch>.

And if we don't count the nasalization then yes, some of them can sound pretty similar to the Dutch ones as well, though northern Dutch vowels (especially /ɑ ɔ u/) seem to me to often have somewhat special quality, especially in men speech. I think there's some pharalyngealization or uvularization involved in this, though I haven't seen any source that could back that up. Perhaps that's just an incredibly low tone of voice that some of Dutchmen have (comparable to RP or even lower), but that is not enough of an explanation for me. That's a bit OT though.

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Re: Sounds like French?

Postby vijayjohn » 2015-02-15, 1:21

hindupridemn wrote:Portuguese reads like Spanish, but I think it sounds more like French. Anyone else think so?

It sounds kind of like French to me. At least European Portuguese kind of does. :lol: Partly that's because of the nasal vowels and /ʒ/ like MillMaths said, and partly it's because of silent word-final <e>.


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