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Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby osias » 2012-12-06, 17:29

"te fumar inteiro pra ver se chapa" -> it seems that's it. In every day language it would be "pra ver se fico chapado", but poetry is poetry
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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Levike » 2014-02-20, 21:38

Como seria correto dizer to make tea: preparar o chá ou fazer o chá ou nenhum destes?

E neste caso é obligatorio usar o artigo?
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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Luís » 2014-02-22, 20:19

Como nenhum brasileiro respondeu até agora...

Está certo das duas maneiras, tal como em inglês ("to prepare some tea" / "to make some tea"). O primeiro é um pouco mais formal, contudo.

Levente wrote:E neste caso é obrigatório usar o artigo?


Não é obrigatório usar o artigo, depende do contexto... se falamos de fazer chá no geral ou de fazer o chá que tinha sido falado antes.
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Postby Psi-Lord » 2014-02-23, 3:07

Ponto para o Luís. :)
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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Youngfun » 2014-03-03, 8:18

A estrutura Tod@ + [substantivo singular] vale sempre Tod@s @s [substantivo plural]? Tipo todo dia = todos os dias?

E.g.
todo dia = todos os dias
toda pessoa = todas as pessoas
todo homem = todos os homens
toda mulher = todas as mulheres
etc.

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Postby TeneReef » 2014-03-03, 11:44

todo dia = todos os dias = every day
todo o dia = o dia todo = o dia inteiro = the whole day, all day

em todo caso = in any/every case, anyhow
em todos os casos apresentados = in all presented cases...


Toda menina baiana tem um santo que Deus dá.
every girl from Bahia has a Saint given to her by God

(toda a menina baiana wouldn't make sense,
the entire girl from Bahia :P )


[todo mundo is an exception to the rule, it means: everybody, everyone
todo o mundo means the whole world, o mundo todo, o mundo inteiro]

There are rules about todo and cada, but I always forget them.
The use of cada is more restrictive, it's used in more distributive context (cada um,
cada um dos...
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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Youngfun » 2014-04-01, 7:12

Obrigado, TeneReef!

I would avoid to say "todo o dia" because when spoken it's difficult to distinguish from "todo dia". So I prefer "o dia todo" which seems the preferred by the Brazilians.

What about: eu não gosto só das mão dela, mas da menina toda. :mrgreen:

Todo mundo reminds of French, I don't know if Spanish has it too. It's were that these 2 Romance languages have this expression, but not Italian.

I think cada means each.

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Outra pergunta/curiosidade: por quê se diz "nordestino" mas não "sudestino"?

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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby high on caffeine » 2014-04-01, 14:40

Sobre a pergunta "por que nordestino é dito e não sudestino?", eu diria que, resumindo em brevíssimas palavras um contexto social e histórico muito complexo, existe uma carga, por vezes, pejorativa na maneira como alguns não nordestinos usam tal termo; também diria que, devido a esse mesmo contexto social e histórico muito complexo que citei acima, brasileiros de outras regiões (especialmente Sul e Sudeste) veem o Nordeste como um bloco homogêneo, apesar de não se enxergarem dessa mesma maneira homogênea (os "sulistas", alguns, até se descrevem assim; os "sudestinos", no entanto, nunca o fazem, aludem apenas ao seu Estado de origem).

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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Kurumin » 2014-09-08, 0:50

A diferença cultural entre Mineiros/Cariocas/Paulistas é tão grande quanto a de Cearenses/Baianos/Pernambucanos, até mesmo nesses três estados do Nordeste os sotaques são claramente diferentes.

No entanto, como todos eles costumam abrir as vogais em sílabas pré-tônicas, acaba que não os diferenciamos muito, já que todos eles falam Sé-lé-ção.

Eles também adoram nasalizar vogais pretônicas quando precedidas de consoante nasal. Algo não muito comum no sul-sudeste. É mais fácil alguém por aqui falar ba-NÃ-na (ba-NÂ-na no sul e em SP, com SEGUNDA a vogal fechada SEM NASALIZAÇÃO) do que Bã-NÃ-na (Nordeste).

Aqui a gente tem mania de chamá-los de Paraíbas, enquanto em São Paulo, chamam-os de Baianos. Enfim, acho que o Nordeste tem três culturas bem definidas, uma que é a do Maranhão (meio norte), a sertaneja (Piauí, Ceará, RN, Paraíba, Pernambuco, Alagoas, Sergipe) e a Baiana.

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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Youngfun » 2014-09-08, 13:25

Obrigado. Uma vez usei a palavra "sudestino" falando de sotaques, para dizer que no Sudeste todo palatalizam "t" e "d".
Mas acho que precisamos da palavra "sudestino" porque esses sotaques tem algumas carateristica em comum, e do ponto de vista social, a região é o centro economico e cultural do Brasil.

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Re: Português [Brasileiro] / Portuguese [Brazilian]

Postby Kurumin » 2014-09-08, 15:25

Youngfun wrote:Obrigado. Uma vez usei a palavra "sudestino" falando de sotaques, para dizer que no Sudeste todo palatalizam "t" e "d".
Mas acho que precisamos da palavra "sudestino" porque esses sotaques tem algumas caracteristica em comum, e do ponto de vista social, a região é o centro economico e cultural do Brasil.


Mas não cultural...

Nortistas, nordestinos e sulistas são gentílicos usados pois estas regiões possuem uma união e unidade cultural entre os seus respectivos estados. Mas no Sudeste e no Centro-Oeste, não. Não é comum usar "sudestino" ou "centro-oestino".

E no Nordeste, os baianos, cearenses, piauienses e maranhenses palatalizam os tês e dês. E utilizam artigo antes de nomes próprios, diferente da maior parte do Nordeste.


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