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"mas" vs "mais"

Postby hindupridemn » 2013-04-19, 3:25

How can I remember the difference? Any pheumonics?

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Luís » 2013-04-19, 11:14

You mean mnemonic?

Well, in European Portuguese (and in some varieties of Brazilian Portuguese), they're actually pronounced differently, so no problem there. But even if you pronounce them the same, the meaning is completely different. Try to translate the sentence into English, that should do the trick.

Ela quer ir embora, mas eu quero ficar mais tempo. :y:
(She wants to leave BUT I want to stay longer [= MORE time])


Ela quer ir embora, mais eu quero ficar mas tempo. :n:
(She wants to leave MORE I want to stay BUT time)
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Aóristos » 2013-04-19, 15:22

To make things more confusing, in Brazil, mas is generally pronounced [mai̯z] (ie what one'd expect of mais), and mais, [mas]. I've never heard them pronounced the same.
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby mōdgethanc » 2013-04-19, 15:51

I thought they were both [mais].

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Luís » 2013-04-19, 15:57

They are. Michael is probably confusing it with Spanish.
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Aóristos » 2013-04-19, 16:20

Luís wrote:They are. Michael is probably confusing it with Spanish.

No. I've heard both. Ok, I've heard mais pronounced both [mai̯s] and [mas], but still.
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Psi-Lord » 2013-04-19, 17:32

I can’t think of ‘mais’ being pronounced [mas] either. I was going to say it might be done in a jest, but, on second thoughts, I don’t think it would even then. Hypercorrection might make it possible, though – I do remember someone saying [ses] for ‘seis’, but he himself laughed at that right after he realised what he’d done.
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Aóristos » 2013-04-20, 1:22

Suponho que estou volvendo louco aí...
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Youngfun » 2013-04-23, 15:16

In Brazil the word más (plural of - bad) is pronounced /mas/, without the i de apoio.

HoItalosPhilellên wrote:estou volvendo louco enlouquecendo

That's a calque from Spanish! :mrgreen:

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby osias » 2013-04-24, 19:34

I'm having a flashback now from someone from somewhere saying "mais" as "mas" 20 years ago when I lived in Rondônia, maybe someone from Paraná, but I can't be sure.
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Re: “Mas” / “Mais”

Postby MillMaths » 2013-04-25, 0:09

I’m having flashbacks about the song “Mas que Nada”!

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Youngfun » 2013-04-25, 2:46

Mas [majʃ] que nada
Sai da minha frente
Que eu quero passar
Pois o samba está animado
E o que eu quero é sambar...

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Re: “Mas” / “Mais”

Postby MillMaths » 2013-04-25, 10:23

When I first heard the song I didn’t know Portuguese. Then I learned Portuguese and thought that the title “Mas que Nada” was wrong – that it should be Mais que Nada for “More than Nothing”. Now I know that the title really is Mas que Nada – and that it does NOT mean “More than Nothing”. :para:

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby osias » 2013-04-25, 12:02

:)

And what do you think it's the meaning today? I'm asking because even I am not sure myself.
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Re: “Mas” / “Mais”

Postby MillMaths » 2013-04-25, 13:45

Wikipedia says it’s Brazilian Portuguese slang (literally “but, that [is] nothing”) for “come on”, “no way”, “whatever”, or “yeah, right!”.

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby TeneReef » 2013-05-02, 21:09

Youngfun wrote:In Brazil the word más (plural of - bad) is pronounced /mas/, without the i de apoio.

HoItalosPhilellên wrote:estou volvendo louco enlouquecendo

That's a calque from Spanish! :mrgreen:


Depende do dialeto.
Tem gente que pronuncia más [mais], e ás [ais]: o que as más línguas falaram do ás automobilístico.

Em Salvador, o i de apoio é de regra diante o xis (no idioleto de pessoas que palatizam):
sextas ...sêixtaç, más línguas máixlínguaç (no entanto gueixa vira guêxa :mrgreen:
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Psi-Lord » 2013-05-06, 20:48

Some people may even have something like minimal pairs, I think. I myself, for instance, distinguish [pujs] ‘I put’ from [pus] ‘pus’, both spelt ⟨pus⟩.

I also have [mas] for ⟨más⟩, but fluctuate between [as] and [ajs] for ⟨ás⟩ even colloquially. Actually, [majs] for ⟨más⟩ must be really far removed from my dialect, because it sounds really, really off when I think of it consciously. :para:
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby TeneReef » 2013-05-08, 0:11

Oh, I forgot to add, in Salvador (and many other pars of the Northeast) -ons is pronounced as -ões: sons (nasais) ~ corações. Many cariocas pronounce it like that as well. :P

maçãs = maçães

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Does it sound strange to other Brazilians? :P

Uns (as an article) is not normally pronounced with o i de apoio because it's unstressed and at the beginning of a word chain: uns amigos meus...Only when it's at the end of the phrase the i de apoio returns: muitos? -uns/alguns... (Só many cariocas may rhyme uns with monosyllabic pronunciation of ruins).

Qual é o correto? Maçães ou maçãs?
Eu sempre escrevi maçães pois acho que soa melhor, mas eu vi escrevido q maçãs.

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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Danieljb2013 » 2013-08-16, 9:27

In the Northern dialect, the difference is very distinct in that mais is pronounce with a strong sh in the last syllable and mas is not. It's also in the context of the conversation that you have to listen in order to know which is which.
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Re: "mas" vs "mais"

Postby Kurumin » 2014-09-11, 3:15

Agora a Monique Nardenne, Kurumin , Mexerica Feliz é CROATA? :ohwell:

A esquizofrenia realmente não tem cura, ao que me parece.

"mas" e "mais" têm pronúncia diferente no RS e SC, e sim, com a vogal fechada no caso da primeira...


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