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Russian discussion group.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Linguist » 2014-06-23, 9:14

ChronoC wrote:I'm having a bit of trouble with the accent, and I realize that I just started with the language but are there any tips? I'm from the southern US and have noted that this makes developing an accent fairly difficult from any of the languages I've studied (not to mention I'm missing parts of my mouth due to cleft palate surgery) I have particular difficulty with the short e sounds Eg: Het

Sometimes grammatical knowledge can help you.

For example, thereʼs never an unstressed o after ж, ш, щ, ч and ц and the letter ë is always stressed. So if you see a world like “самолёт” or “мyжeм” (instrumental case of “муж”) you immediately know how to pronounce it. :wink: (an “o” after ж, ш, щ, ч and ц never can be stressed, if you have to stress it youʻd have to write the letter ë because it’s always stressed and an unstressed o after those letters turns to “e”, so as the o in the case ending -oм behind the stem муж- it has to be converted into e)

But unfortunately such cases are not very common and in my opinion it takes a long time to master :| And even I don’t know all stress rules. However, there only less rules and remembering the right pronounciation (especially in the case of nouns that change their stress in different noun cases) can be really hard.
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Itikar » 2014-06-23, 12:10

Linguist wrote:(an “o” after ж, ш, щ, ч and ц never can be stressed, if you have to stress it youʻd have to write the letter ë because it’s always stressed and an unstressed o after those letters turns to “e”, so as the o in the case ending -oм behind the stem муж- it has to be converted into e)

Я говорил с врачом в больнице. По его мнению это чуть-чуть сложнее. :(
Fletto i muscoli e sono nel vuoto!
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Linguist » 2014-06-23, 15:23

Itikar wrote:Я говорил с врачом в больнице. По его мнению это чуть-чуть сложнее. :(

Yes but it doesnʼt apply in this case as the o in врачом is stressed anyway (as there are a few words changing their stress between the stem and the ending)

I really hope I don’t talk rubbish ^^ It’s what my grammar book says. :o
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Itikar » 2014-06-23, 15:45

No, you don't talk rubbish.
It is Russian orthography that's a bit tricky in this regard.
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-07-01, 11:36

Can someone translate this for me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJ1juNMaZA

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Golv » 2014-07-01, 13:03

There isn't much more to it than is already mentioned in the video description, but alright...

Christoph: President Putin, in 1914 part of Ukraine belonged to Austria.
Putin: What is that supposed to mean? What suggestions do you have?
Christoph: It means that today, 100 years later, Ukraine became a part...
Putin: I am already scared of what he is about to say.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Marah » 2014-07-08, 18:40

Hi guys,
Does his accent sound native to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuGJgPtbOsA
Par exemple, l'enfant croit au Père Noël. L'adulte non. L'adulte ne croit pas au Père Noël. Il vote.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby voron » 2014-07-08, 21:20

He sounds native, with a regional touch (Ukrainian probably? I'm not sure).

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Marah » 2014-07-09, 9:58

Thanks for your answer Voron!
Par exemple, l'enfant croit au Père Noël. L'adulte non. L'adulte ne croit pas au Père Noël. Il vote.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2014-07-09, 15:36

voron wrote:He sounds native, with a regional touch (Ukrainian probably? I'm not sure).

It seems to me that he's not Ukrainian, he probably lived outside of Russia for quite a lot of time. I would say he has touch of American English accent and his phrases are not too natural. Something foreign definitely exists in his language.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby voron » 2014-07-09, 17:11

:hmm: Isn't it the way Russians speak in Brighton Beach? I think it's similar to the accent they have in Odessa. Idk it doesn't sound foreign to me, it sounds native enough.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby dorenda » 2014-07-09, 19:04

And what do you think about his intonation? It struck me that in (almost?) all his question the intonation goes up in the end, while I learned that it should go down.
нехай мій гаманець порожній
моя дорога невідома
я стану вільним, подорожнім
найголовніше вийти з дому

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Scarbo23 » 2014-07-10, 7:30

Anyone know where I can find complete transcripts of interviews in Russian? I'm interested mainly in interviews with Grigory Leps that are on youtube.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Marah » 2014-07-10, 10:57

Lada wrote:
voron wrote:He sounds native, with a regional touch (Ukrainian probably? I'm not sure).

It seems to me that he's not Ukrainian, he probably lived outside of Russia for quite a lot of time. I would say he has touch of American English accent and his phrases are not too natural. Something foreign definitely exists in his language.

Apparently he was born in Russia and raised in Odessa.
Par exemple, l'enfant croit au Père Noël. L'adulte non. L'adulte ne croit pas au Père Noël. Il vote.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Dr. House » 2014-07-15, 12:33

What's the difference between сейчас and щас. A friend of mine is using the latter a lot. :)
Is it more vernacular?
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2014-07-15, 17:15

Dr. House wrote:What's the difference between сейчас and щас. A friend of mine is using the latter a lot. :)
Is it more vernacular?

щас - that's how you pronounce сейчас. Many people are lazy to write properly in the internet that's how щас was born... So, please write сейчас.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Dr. House » 2014-07-21, 11:20

Конечно. :)
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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lietmotiv » 2014-08-12, 10:17

Lada wrote:
Dr. House wrote:What's the difference between сейчас and щас. A friend of mine is using the latter a lot. :)
Is it more vernacular?

щас - that's how you pronounce сейчас. Many people are lazy to write properly in the internet that's how щас was born... So, please write сейчас.


And many, including me, even pronounce it that way, or even ща.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby Lada » 2014-08-12, 19:12

Ща sounds kinda rude to me, though among friends I think it's ok. Btw older generations say this word as it's written - сейчас.

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Re: Russian discussion group.

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-08-17, 21:25

Я никогда не слышал это слово. Dr. House, Lada, и Lietmotiv, спасибо! :)


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