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Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c) - UniLang

Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

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Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

Postby Requiescat » 2014-09-09, 9:47

Hi,
I have heard ㄘ is pronounced like 'ts' in cats, however, when hearing a few natives in sounds less like an actual s and more like a very strong exhalation of air. I'm not sure which one I should be aiming for, the difference may be subtle but actually has a pronounced impact on how it sounds overall. I'm sure natives would be even more aware if these subtleties than I, so I want to get it exactly right. Any help in clarifying which is correct would be most appreciated. Thanks for your time.

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Re: Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

Postby linguoboy » 2014-09-09, 14:20

The pronunciation of Pinyin c is actually [t͡sʰ]. That is, the [s] is followed by an exhalation of air. The aspiration is important because it's all that distinguishes this sound from Pinyin z.
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Re: Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

Postby Pangu » 2014-09-09, 14:53

Requiescat wrote:Hi,
I have heard ㄘ is pronounced like 'ts' in cats, however, when hearing a few natives in sounds less like an actual s and more like a very strong exhalation of air. I'm not sure which one I should be aiming for, the difference may be subtle but actually has a pronounced impact on how it sounds overall. I'm sure natives would be even more aware if these subtleties than I, so I want to get it exactly right. Any help in clarifying which is correct would be most appreciated. Thanks for your time.

Regards,
Marcus

Having grown up in Taiwan, ㄘ / c does indeed sound like "ts" to me.

Where are these "natives" from? Because of varying dialects and accents, just because one is "Chinese", it doesn't necessarily mean they speak standard Mandarin (whether by mainland or Taiwan standard).

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Re: Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

Postby Requiescat » 2014-09-10, 10:11

So 'ts' is standard Mandarin? I don't know where the natives are from. I'm aware of dialects and also the fact that not everyone speaks well, so I like to query all these things. I must say though that I do like the Beijing dialect in particular, but if 'ts' with an actual 's' is standard I'll work on that redgardless.

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Re: Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

Postby Youngfun » 2014-09-11, 13:15

To us native chinese, English ts sounds more pinyin c, while ds as in friends is closer to z.

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Re: Pinyin Pronunciation: ㄘ (c)

Postby Pangu » 2014-09-11, 14:23

Requiescat wrote:So 'ts' is standard Mandarin? I don't know where the natives are from. I'm aware of dialects and also the fact that not everyone speaks well, so I like to query all these things. I must say though that I do like the Beijing dialect in particular, but if 'ts' with an actual 's' is standard I'll work on that redgardless.

If you have been pronouncing "c" like "ts" in English then you don't have to change anything.


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