[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 402: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_data::$country_names_en
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Undefined property: unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions::$regionsdata
[phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file [ROOT]/ext/unilang/languages/includes/lang_functions.php on line 423: Trying to get property of non-object
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 5312: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3925)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 5312: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3925)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 5312: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3925)
Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek - UniLang

Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Moderator: Aóristos

User avatar
meidei
Posts: 6119
Joined: 2010-08-08, 19:56
Country: CY Cyprus (Κύπρος / Kıbrıs)

Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby meidei » 2011-04-11, 19:32

Do you know Griko? Greeks, you can understand it? Italian speakers?
I can understand a great deal of it, even if it's spoken.

Griko, sometimes spelled Grico, is a form of the Greek language which is spoken by the Griko people in the Magna Graecia region in southern Italy. The Greeks consider it as a Modern Greek dialect and often call it Katoitaliotika (Greek: Κατωιταλιώτικα, "Southern Italian") or Grekanika (Γραικάνικα). Griko and Standard Modern Greek are mutually intelligible to some extent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griko_language
http://www.grikamilume.com/ (Griko association)
http://www.molossia.org/griko2.html (Griko-English wordlist)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnRg2WkKQE (Greek documentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BynV8l-7oQI (Traditional Griko song, sung by Maria Farantouri. Amazing)
Knows:Cypriot Standard Greek & Cypriot Spoken Greek (el-cy)| (en)|Standard Greek - Greece's Written Standard (el)
Attempting:  (tr) (sgn-CY)
Resuming shorty: (fr)
Forgetting: (ja)

KingHarvest
Posts: 4168
Joined: 2008-03-21, 5:46
Gender: male
Location: New York
Country: US United States (United States)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby KingHarvest » 2011-04-12, 4:48

Unfortunately, the extent of what I know about Griko is what's written on the Wikipedia page about it.
Most men are rather stupid, and most of those who are not stupid are, consequently, rather vain.
-A.E. Housman

User avatar
ego
Posts: 4917
Joined: 2004-12-06, 15:19
Real Name: Thanasis
Gender: male
Location: SX
Country: GB United Kingdom (United Kingdom)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby ego » 2011-04-12, 12:23

I know some nice songs, like the well-known one "andra mu pai", also sung by Farantouri. It is such a cute dialect, I can understand most of it unless too many Italian words are used. I've always been wanting to visit these areas of Italy. They say that even in architecture they remind of Greece at some areas, with all-white houses etc. One day..

User avatar
meidei
Posts: 6119
Joined: 2010-08-08, 19:56
Country: CY Cyprus (Κύπρος / Kıbrıs)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby meidei » 2011-04-12, 12:55

It is such a cute dialect

This.
Italian-accented Greek is so cute, even more so if it's not your usual Greek :) I am going to fake an italian accent for a while.
Knows:Cypriot Standard Greek & Cypriot Spoken Greek (el-cy)| (en)|Standard Greek - Greece's Written Standard (el)
Attempting:  (tr) (sgn-CY)
Resuming shorty: (fr)
Forgetting: (ja)

User avatar
ego
Posts: 4917
Joined: 2004-12-06, 15:19
Real Name: Thanasis
Gender: male
Location: SX
Country: GB United Kingdom (United Kingdom)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby ego » 2011-04-12, 17:05

It defo doesn't derive from ancient Greek as nationalist Greek "scholars" claim though (one example why you shouldn't study in Greece). You don't need to be a linguist to see that it derives from a much later stage of Greek, i.e. Byzantine

User avatar
Oleksij
Posts: 4757
Joined: 2005-06-28, 16:46
Real Name: Олексій Мірошниченко
Gender: male
Location: Thessaloniki
Country: GR Greece (Ελλάς)
Contact:

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby Oleksij » 2011-04-13, 22:33

ego wrote:It defo doesn't derive from ancient Greek as nationalist Greek "scholars" claim though (one example why you shouldn't study in Greece). You don't need to be a linguist to see that it derives from a much later stage of Greek, i.e. Byzantine

Interesting, considering that Greeks had been present in the area since way before the Byzantine Empire. Wouldn't it make sense to still be in part derived from the dialects that had been brought there by the ancients, but rather later influenced by Koine?
Moja ulica murem podzielona - świeci neonami prawa strona, lewa strona cała wygaszona, zza zasłony obserwuję obie strony.
My Youtube Channel
Last.fm

KingHarvest
Posts: 4168
Joined: 2008-03-21, 5:46
Gender: male
Location: New York
Country: US United States (United States)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby KingHarvest » 2011-04-14, 1:54

Southern Italy was a predominantly Greek speaking area until well after Koine replaced the Classical dialects in day-to-day life. It would really be surprising if any of the modern day Greek dialects/languages didn't come from Koine (there is even evidence that Tsakonian, which is generally touted as being directly descended from a Doric dialect, is probably just from Koine with some heavy Doric influence).
Most men are rather stupid, and most of those who are not stupid are, consequently, rather vain.
-A.E. Housman

User avatar
ego
Posts: 4917
Joined: 2004-12-06, 15:19
Real Name: Thanasis
Gender: male
Location: SX
Country: GB United Kingdom (United Kingdom)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby ego » 2011-04-14, 6:29

If you read some Griko you will see that it is no more "ancient" than any modern dialect. Grammar-wise, vocab-wise and pronunciation-wise. I fail to detect anything that could reveal some influence from pre-byzantine times. See for example the lyrics of the song I've mentioned:

Telo na mbriacefto, na min pensefso
na klafso jai na gelaso telo arte vrai

I want to forget, not to think
I want to cry and laugh this evening

Apart from different (Italian) vocab, the grammar, syntax, morphology etc are identical to Standard modern Greek. If the language had derived from ancient Greek, even with Koine influence, one would expect further differences. This looks like a dialect which separated itself from the rest rather recently

User avatar
Oleksij
Posts: 4757
Joined: 2005-06-28, 16:46
Real Name: Олексій Мірошниченко
Gender: male
Location: Thessaloniki
Country: GR Greece (Ελλάς)
Contact:

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby Oleksij » 2011-04-14, 21:04

KingHarvest wrote:Southern Italy was a predominantly Greek speaking area until well after Koine replaced the Classical dialects in day-to-day life. It would really be surprising if any of the modern day Greek dialects/languages didn't come from Koine (there is even evidence that Tsakonian, which is generally touted as being directly descended from a Doric dialect, is probably just from Koine with some heavy Doric influence).

Indeed, you're probably right.
Moja ulica murem podzielona - świeci neonami prawa strona, lewa strona cała wygaszona, zza zasłony obserwuję obie strony.
My Youtube Channel
Last.fm

User avatar
Aóristos
Language Forum Moderator
Posts: 5837
Joined: 2009-07-21, 3:07
Gender: male
Location: Oak Park/Chicago
Country: US United States (United States)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby Aóristos » 2012-01-05, 5:44

I regret that I haven't joined the Griko party from the onset. :( I especially find it quite interesting, in particular its phonology, which is basically just that of the surrounding Calabro-Sicilian dialects, especially the sound we see written so much as dd(h) /ɖː/. :)
Native: American English (en-us) Pizzonese Neapolitan (nap) | Advanced: [none…] | Intermediate: Greek (el) Mexican Spanish (es-mx) Italian (it) Persian (fa) Brazilian Portuguese (pt-br) French (passive) (fr)
Starting: Polish (pl) Urdu (ur) Azerbaijani (az) | Future: Attic Greek (grc) Romanian (ro) Irish (ga) Sicilian (scn) Modern Standard Arabic (ar-arb)

dimos
Posts: 274
Joined: 2008-10-24, 15:24
Real Name: mitsos
Gender: male
Location: Thessaloniki
Country: GR Greece (Ελλάς)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby dimos » 2012-01-10, 10:29

Michael wrote:I regret that I haven't joined the Griko party from the onset. :( I especially find it quite interesting, in particular its phonology, which is basically just that of the surrounding Calabro-Sicilian dialects, especially the sound we see written so much as dd(h) /ɖː/. :)


nothing special, just a hybrid of modern greek dialect and italian. it's not more ancient than any other modern greek dialect.

User avatar
meidei
Posts: 6119
Joined: 2010-08-08, 19:56
Country: CY Cyprus (Κύπρος / Kıbrıs)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby meidei » 2012-01-10, 11:03

it doesnt need to be ancient to be interesting ;-)
Knows:Cypriot Standard Greek & Cypriot Spoken Greek (el-cy)| (en)|Standard Greek - Greece's Written Standard (el)
Attempting:  (tr) (sgn-CY)
Resuming shorty: (fr)
Forgetting: (ja)

dimos
Posts: 274
Joined: 2008-10-24, 15:24
Real Name: mitsos
Gender: male
Location: Thessaloniki
Country: GR Greece (Ελλάς)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby dimos » 2012-01-11, 19:23

Συμφωνώ!!

User avatar
meidei
Posts: 6119
Joined: 2010-08-08, 19:56
Country: CY Cyprus (Κύπρος / Kıbrıs)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby meidei » 2012-02-26, 18:36

Some treat courtesy of γλώσσες και αλφάβητα του κόσμου. I putted the Greek translation into spoiler tags, so that you try and understand it.

Ti ene e glossama? Pedaimmu! 'En i' lloja tze charti, ka 'su pianni ce mattenni meletonta; c' 'en i' lloja ka vrikane grammena 's kane mmea paleon lisari,'s ena tticho kau stin grutta. E glossama e' foni, foni manecho.
Τι είναι η γλώσσα μας; Γιε μου! Δεν είναι τα λόγια από παλαιά χειρόγραφα, που με δυσκολία, προσπαθείς να αποκρυπτογραφήσεις. Ούτε λέξεις χαραγμένες πάνω σε μία παλιά πέτρινη πλάκα, σε έναν τοίχο, σε μια σπηλιά. Η γλώσσα μας είναι η φωνή, μόνο η φωνή.

Me rota pos entzignase, pos ettase 's ema, is tin efer' etturtea, is tin emase prono. Is to tzeri, pedaimmu! 'E ssu ndiazzete n'o tzeri.
Με ρωτάς πότε ξεκίνησε, πώς έφτασε σε μας, ποιος την έφερε σ αυτόν τον τόπο, ποιος την έμαθε πρώτος. Ποιος ξέρει, γιε μου! Δεν πρέπει να νοιάζεσαι να μάθεις αυτά τα πράγματα.

Sa llumera e' ppuru e glossama, ka mas termane i zzoi. Tispon evale pleo tzila, tispo fisise 'cipanu n'ai na jiri lion e vampa; ce arte sbinnete, ma ma.
Η γλώσσα μας είναι όπως η φωτιά είναι : ζεσταίνει τις ζωές μας. Κανείς δεν πρόσθεσε μικρά κλαδιά, κανείς δεν φύσηξε για να μεγαλώσει η φλόγα. Και τώρα σβήνει μαζί μας.

Ti su meni? Lilli statti, enan aspro kulumai: an esu pai n'on enghisi, ma mia mmavri paletteddha, a pa' n'on escalisi, na! su kanni kammia spitta, sozzi doi mian addhi vvampa; depoi sbinnete, ma sena.
Τι μένει σε σένα; Λίγες στάχτες, ένας μικρός λευκός σωρός: αν πας και τις αγγίξεις, με ένα μαύρο φτυάρι,και να προσπαθήσεις να βρεις τη φωτιά πάλι, βγαίνει μια σπίθα, μια ντροπαλό σπίθα, και σβήνει, μαζί σου.

Wise words :)
Knows:Cypriot Standard Greek & Cypriot Spoken Greek (el-cy)| (en)|Standard Greek - Greece's Written Standard (el)
Attempting:  (tr) (sgn-CY)
Resuming shorty: (fr)
Forgetting: (ja)

kitsof
Posts: 1
Joined: 2012-02-27, 8:25
Real Name: gfsfg

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby kitsof » 2012-02-27, 8:33

This translation is more free so I have improved it to bring it closer to the original.I am no linguist but apart from some ambiguities due to the influence of italian in the vocabulary and the syntax it seems very close to modern Greek to me.Have a look http://www.glossesweb.com/2012/02/blog-post_23.html

giuseppe
Posts: 2
Joined: 2013-11-09, 22:02
Real Name: giuseppe
Gender: male
Location: martano
Country: IT Italy (Italia)

griko

Postby giuseppe » 2013-11-09, 22:44

Il griko è una lingua antica, con radici nella Magna Grecia, parlata nel cuore del Salento.
Per quanti volessero approfondire, li invito a visitare i siti:

http://www.rizegrike.com

http://www.glossagrika.it

Registrazioni, vocabolario, tabelle grammaticali, coniugazione dei verbi, declinazione dei sostantivi ed altro ancora.

Giuseppe D.P.

User avatar
IpseDixit
Posts: 6166
Joined: 2013-05-06, 21:06
Gender: male
Location: Florence
Country: IT Italy (Italia)

Re: griko

Postby IpseDixit » 2013-11-09, 22:57

La lingua di questo forum è l'inglese (o il greco nel caso specifico del forum greco). L'italiano si parla nel forum italiano, e poi c'è già un thread sull'argomento, non dovevi riaprirne un altro...

User avatar
Aóristos
Language Forum Moderator
Posts: 5837
Joined: 2009-07-21, 3:07
Gender: male
Location: Oak Park/Chicago
Country: US United States (United States)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby Aóristos » 2013-11-22, 5:52

Comunque, ho unito i due temi, e mi piacciono assai i collegamenti! :D

In any case, I've joined the two threads, and I really like the links! :D
Native: American English (en-us) Pizzonese Neapolitan (nap) | Advanced: [none…] | Intermediate: Greek (el) Mexican Spanish (es-mx) Italian (it) Persian (fa) Brazilian Portuguese (pt-br) French (passive) (fr)
Starting: Polish (pl) Urdu (ur) Azerbaijani (az) | Future: Attic Greek (grc) Romanian (ro) Irish (ga) Sicilian (scn) Modern Standard Arabic (ar-arb)

User avatar
Lauren
Posts: 2938
Joined: 2012-04-09, 7:50
Real Name: Lauren
Gender: female
Location: Kent
Country: US United States (United States)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby Lauren » 2013-11-22, 6:29

Thanks for the links Giuseppe! I've read about Griko before, but never really looked for resources for it. The first link especially looks useful, with many texts with recordings and translations, and some grammar and a dictionary.
     Native:  (en-US)
Advanced:  (eu)
 Learning:  (la)

User avatar
Itikar
Posts: 887
Joined: 2012-10-10, 19:56
Gender: male
Country: IT Italy (Italia)

Re: Griko/Katoitaliotika/Grekanika - Southern Italy Greek

Postby Itikar » 2013-11-22, 13:38

Although most of the resources you listed are better than it, there is an old book freely available on the archive: https://archive.org/details/ildialettogreco00pellgoog
Fletto i muscoli e sono nel vuoto!
All corrections are welcome and appreciated.


Return to “Greek (Ελληνικά)”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron