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Right peripheral pronouns in Estonian

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cataphor
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Right peripheral pronouns in Estonian

Postby cataphor » 2013-08-14, 10:31

Dear native speakers of Estonian,



I'm doing some research on a structure which is pretty common in the world's languages, and it looks like the example in (1) to (6) which is from some dialect of English:

(1) [Talking about some sort of potatoes] They cook fast, them.
(2) She's a liar, her.
(3) I payed him, me.
(4) That's great, that!
(5) We met Lisa at the train station, her.
(6) Mary talked to Peter last saturday night, to him.

What I'd like to know is whether your language allows for a similiar construction. That is, do you - in colloquial conversation - place pronouns in the end of the sentence that correlate to some referent in the preceding clause? If so, I would be pleased if you could give an example. They don't need to fit the examples above regarding the content.

I would also like to know what form the pronoun takes. So, in (1) to (5), the pronouns at the end are all in accusative or "tonic" form. Moreover, if you change the role of the correlating element, e.g. make it an object, does the case of the pronoun change? The relevant examples would be (5), where the correlate is a direct object, and (6), where it is an indirect object.

Connected to this, how would the answers to the question in (7), (8), and (9) look like?

(7) Who wants some ice cream? --
(a) Me!
(b) Her!
(c) Him!
(d) Us!
(e) Them!

(8) Who did Mary see at the train station? --
(a) Me!
(b) Her!
(c) Him!
(d) Us!
(e) Them!

(9) Who did Peter give the money to? --
(a) To me!
(b) To her!
(c) To him!
(d) To us!
(e) To them!


I would be very happy if you could help me out with that. If you like, I could also acknowledge your contribution by naming you in the paper. For further questions, feel free to ask. You can also contact me under andrea06@uni-potsdam.de. Below, you can find a template for the answers since, I guess, it would be annoying to number them yourself.

Best regards,
Andreas Schmidt

(7)
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(b)
(c)
(d)
(e)

(8)
(a)
(b)
(c)
(d)
(e)

(9)
(a)
(b)
(c)
(d)
(e)

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ainurakne
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Re: Right peripheral pronouns in Estonian

Postby ainurakne » 2013-08-15, 9:36

Hmm, I don't remember ever seeing something like that in standard Estonian.

I guess something similar is possible if the repeated word is extremely emphasized and the sentence is yelled or otherwise presented in very emotional fashion, but then the second word would be the exact same word and in the exact same case as the first one.
I would write it down like this:
(1) NEMAD küpsevad kiiresti! NEMAD!!!
(2) TEMA on valetaja! TEMA!!!
(3) MINA maksin talle! MINA!!!
(4) SEE on tore! SEE!!! (although this one doesn't make much sense)
(5) Me kohtamise rongijaamas LISAT! LISAT!!!
(6) Mary rääkis eelmise laupäeva ööl PETERIGA! PETERIGA!!!


The answers to the questions are in the same case as the question words: (7) nominative, (8) partitive and (9) allative case.

(7) Kes jäätist tahab?
(a) Mina!
(b) Tema!
(c) Tema!
(d) Meie!
(e) Nemad!

(8) Keda Mary rongijaamas nägi?
(a) Mind!
(b) Teda!
(c) Teda!
(d) Meid!
(e) Neid!

(9) Kellele Peter raha andis?
(a) Mulle! / Minule!
(b) Talle! / Temale!
(c) Talle! / Temale!
(d) Meile!
(e) Neile!
Eesti keel (et) native, English (en) I can manage, Suomi (fi) trying to learn, Pусский (ru)&Deutsch (de) unfortunately, slowly fading away

corcaighist
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Re: Right peripheral pronouns in Estonian

Postby corcaighist » 2013-09-08, 6:10

cataphor wrote:
(1) [Talking about some sort of potatoes] They cook fast, them.
(2) She's a liar, her.
(3) I payed him, me.
(4) That's great, that!
(5) We met Lisa at the train station, her.
(6) Mary talked to Peter last saturday night, to him.


(1) and (4) sound perfectly fine to me. (2) sounds okay.

(3), (5) and (6) sound terrible.

What (1), (4) and (2) have in common is that they are all syntactic subjects.


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