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Küsimus eesti keele kohta / Questions about Estonian

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Re: Küsimus eesti keele kohta / Questions about Estonian

Postby Ytan » 2013-04-18, 20:43

I'm sorry to do this entirely in English but.

There must be some learning resources for Estonian that are in Finnish. I want to learn Estonian but not with using one word of English because I don't need to be explained to about the phenomena of Estonian.

Finns, how did you go about learning? Which books, courses, where to get them and that sort of things?
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Postby Virankannos » 2013-04-21, 14:55

Yksi suosittu kirja, jota omakin opettajani yliopistossa käytti, on Keelesild (Renate Pajusalu, Merja Hietaharju, Viive Taro, Kai Yallop). Se on tiedoiltaan osittain jo hieman vanhentunut mutta muuten käyttökelpoinen. Pikaisella googlauksella sitä näytetään myyvän useimmissa kirjakaupoissa vaihteleviin hintoihin. Löytynee myös kirjastoista.

YLE on aikoinaan lähettänyt Nael kummi! -tv-sarjan, jossa näyttelijä Heikki Kinnunen seikkailee Virossa. Sarjaan kuuluvat myös nettisivut.

Jos viron kielioppi kiinnostaa, kannattaa katsoa myös Hannu Remeksen vuonna 1982 julkaistu Viron kielioppi. Samalta kirjoittajalta löytyy vielä tuhdimpaakin tavaraa, nimittäin Oulun yliopistossa tarkastettu väitöskirja Muodot kontrastissa: suomen ja viron vertailevaa taivutusmorfologiaa. Löytyy netistä.

Tämmöinenkin kirja tuli esiin googlaamalla. En ole itse sitä kuitenkaan käyttänyt eli en osaa sanoa sen laadusta mitään.

Asuinpaikkakunnasta riippuen viron kielen kursseja tarjotaan aika varmasti kansalaisopistoissa ja vastaavissa. Lisäksi Tuglas-seura järjestää viron kursseja.

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Re: Küsimus eesti keele kohta / Questions about Estonian

Postby Ytan » 2013-04-22, 15:49

I'm not sure if the eestlased will look at us with a "bad eye" if we'll continue this in Finnish so for common courtesy I'll make my reply in English.

Keelesild can be found in all of Espoo's libraries apparently, and the CD is in a few chosen ones the nearest being like a ten minute drive away so I'll be getting those. I'll look into the others for sure too. Thanks a bunch.

Now if you were as kind as to answer to the same question in the Sámi forum, I would be eternally grateful.
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Postby Swienegel » 2013-09-08, 18:54

There are some books that don't use source languages other than Estonian. In most books there is just a vocabulary section in the end with translations into different languages. "Saame tuttavaks" was just mentioned, then there is for example "E nagu Eesti" and the second part "T nagu Tallinn", "Avatud uksed" should also be only Estonian (but I've never looked into it). And I've just bought a copy of "Naljaga pooleks", that is in Estonian and has a vocabulary section with translations into English, Finnish and Russian. (Just after I bought it I found out it's not used in my course, although differently announced... meh... if you want to have it, write me, I'm coming to Finland later this year ;) )

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Postby corcaighist » 2013-09-09, 19:02

Yes, Avatud uksed is only in Estonian.

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Postby Swienegel » 2013-09-13, 12:56

Yep.
Sorry, forgot one thing: "Naljaga pooleks" doesn't start from the beginning. It probably has a first part, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now...
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Postby Lumilintu » 2013-09-18, 20:54

Mul oleks ka üks küsimus. Kas keegi teist juhuslikult oskab soovitada mõnda head raamatut eesti keele grammatika kohta? Ma mõtlen just raamatut, mitte õpikut... siis selline raamat, milles ei ole harjutusi, vaid pigem igasugused tabelid ja ka seletused, et vajadusel oleks võimalikult lihtne sealt midagi järgi vaadata.
Olen küll ise juba otsinud nii raamatupoodidest kui ka raamatukogust, kuid ei ole veel leidnud just sellist raamatut, mida endale ette kujutan. :roll:
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Postby ainurakne » 2013-09-19, 6:43

See tundub minu meelest üsna selline raamat olevat: Eesti keele käsiraamat.

2007. aasta paberversiooni leidsin näiteks Tartu Ülikooli raamatukogust (kui sa ei ela enam Lõuna-Eestis, siis võid proovida Tallinna ESTERit) ning Apollo raamatupoest.
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Postby Lumilintu » 2013-09-19, 7:42

Oi. Eesti keele käsiraamatut olen isegi varem lehitsenud, kuid siis mulle tundus, et see ei ole just see õige. Nüüd aga lähemalt uurides tundub see küll olevat üsna selline, mida silmas pidasin.
Võib-olla toona lugesin vaid selle ortograafia osa ega pööranud tähelepanu sellele, et raamatus on kenasti olemas ka morfoloogia peatükk.
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Re: Küsimus eesti keele kohta / Questions about Estonian

Postby zeme » 2014-02-09, 14:37

Are te/teie and the other ones always interchangeable?
The fellow who thinks he knows it all is especially annoying to those of us who do.

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Postby ainurakne » 2014-02-10, 12:37

zeme wrote:Are te/teie and the other ones always interchangeable?
Technically, yes!
But in practice, the longer ones are (mostly) emphasized forms and the shorter ones (mostly) unemphasized - and for natives these are so much different that it can be a give-away of not being a native if you use these forms "oddly/unconventionally" - at least I have noticed that in some contexts.

For personal pronouns which' nominative and genitive forms are ambiguous - tema/ta, meie/me, teie/te - mostly the longer form is used for genitive case (although again, technically you can use both); for nominative case I haven't noticed any preferences.
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Postby zeme » 2014-02-11, 1:10

Thanks, ainurakne

Would teie sound awkward in this case?
Mida te joogiks soovite?

What about te here?
Mida teie soovite?
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Postby ainurakne » 2014-02-11, 11:44

You are welcome!
zeme wrote:Mida te joogiks soovite?
Mida teie soovite?
In this matter these two questions are pretty much the same, and the personal pronouns in them are used in the same way. Which personal pronoun (long or short) to use, depends entirely on the context:

For example if you take a simple sentence like "Mida sa tahad?" (what do you want?), then this is the form I would usually use for this question. I guess its English equivalent would be either 'WHAT do you WANT?' or 'what DO you want?' (capitalized word in emphasized in speech). Also possible "Mida tahad?" or colloquial "Mis tahad?".

"Mida sina tahad?" (what do YOU want?) - this one I would use only if I have to ask the same question from multiple persons in a row or if I otherwise address a specific person in a group (emphasis is on the person - the opinion of this specific person is most important at that moment); another context would be if the person surprised me, for example if I wasn't expecting him/her (or anyone) to show up or to address me - again I am mostly wondering why is it him/her who is here wanting something rather than what is it that he/she wants.

Warning: my experience on this matter is limited to specific geographical locations. The usage of Estonian can sometimes be quite a bit different in different regions of Estonia.
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Postby Thon » 2014-03-17, 7:41

Tere, Unilang!

Et tutvustada ennast(?), mu hüüdnimi, Thon, tähendab 'mänd', ja nimetan end puuks sest ma armastan loodust. Praegu õpin Harvardi ülikooli juures olevas väikeses tehnoloogiaülikoolis. Hakkasin õppida eesti keelt poolteist aastat tagasi (ühe keeleteaduse kursuse jaoks, mida võtsin oma ülikoolis), ja mind väga huvitab see keel paljudeks põhjusteks -- esiteks, ma olen suur fänn Tolkien'ist ja tema väljamõeldud keeltest, mis on väga sarnased kui soome ja eesti keeled, ja teiseks, sest see lihtsalt tundub tõesti kaunis.

Mul on väike küsimus -- täpselt kuidas kasutada tulevikuaega (future tense) eesti keeles?

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Postby ainurakne » 2014-03-17, 13:11

Tere, Thon!
Pean ütlema, et eesti keelt räägid (või vähemalt kirjutad) sa ütlemata hästi. Tundub, nagu sa oleksid kunagi Eestis elanud või mõnes muus eestikeelses keskkonnas viibinud.

Tegelikkuses eesti keeles ei olegi tulevikuaega. See, kas tegemist on oleviku või tulevikuga lähtub enamasti kontekstist, kuigi ega tihti sellel suurt vahet ei olegi.
Küll aga, kui lauses on sihitis (grammatical object), näitab selle kääne, kas teostatav tegevus on protsess või tulemus, näiteks "Ostan autot." (protsess - I am buying a car) vs. "Ostan auto." (tulemus - the result of what you do / are doing is that you will get a new car). Seega lause "Ma ostan auto." viitab alati tulevikule.

Paar parandust ka, kui sa vastu pole:
Hakkasin õppima eesti keelt... - "hakkama" requires the secondary verb to use ma-infinitive.
...ja mind väga huvitab see keel paljudel põhjustel -- esiteks, ma olen suur Tolkieni ja tema väljamõeldud keelte fänn, mis on eesti ja soome keelega väga sarnased... - kelle?/mille? fänn (genitive); sarnane kellega?/millega? (comitative).
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Re: Küsimus eesti keele kohta / Questions about Estonian

Postby Thon » 2014-03-17, 15:41

Tänan, Ainurakne. See oli üllatavalt lihtne. Paneb mind tahtma mõelda, et eesti keeles küll on tulevikuaeg!

Mida teha, kui pole sihitist, nagu 'I will think about it'?

Tundub, nagu sa oleksid kunagi Eestis elanud või mõnes muus eestikeelses keskkonnas viibinud.


:nope: Sa pead kuulma mind rääkimas. Mu aktsent eesti keeles on üsna kohutav. :)

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Postby Lumilintu » 2014-03-17, 20:56

Tere tulemast, Thon!

Sinu enesetutvustus meenutas mulle midagi... Ega sa ei ole juhuslikult mingil moel seotud Daniel Tammetiga?
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Re: Küsimus eesti keele kohta / Questions about Estonian

Postby Thon » 2014-03-17, 22:08

Ma ei tea kellest sa räägid. Tema nimi tõesti ei tundu eestimaine. Kas ta on Soome või Rootsi kuulsus?

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Postby Lumilintu » 2014-03-17, 23:08

Ei ole. Ja päris kuulus ta vist ka ei ole.
Daniel Tammet on autistlik "geenius", kes on muuhulgas tuntud ka oma keeleoskuste tõttu. Ja ka talle meeldisid eriti just eesti ja soome keel. Oma perekonnanime "Tammet" on ta muide võtnud eesti keelest, tegelikult see ei ole tema sünninimi.
Ta on ise leiutanud keele, mille nimeks on "mänti" - ehk siis sama tähendusega sõna nagu sinu kasutajanimi siin. Eks sa vist sellepärast meenutasid mulle teda. :D
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