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Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

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Re: Swedish r

Postby Jurgen Wullenwever » 2014-06-14, 19:48

Johanna wrote:
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Johanna wrote: judging from what I've heard today, young people in Örebro seem to have that 'TV accent'...

Where did you hear what, more precisely?

One of those things at Arbetsförmedlingen, we watched some job interviews that a guy who lives there had recorded for educational purposes, and it was about a job in a shop, so it wasn't the most highly educated people who applied for it.

Sure the selection of people wasn't too big, but out of the bunch, those under 30 and from the area all spoke a very neutral Standard Swedish. I could never have guessed where they were from if they hadn't said it.

I heard my nephews, living in Örebro, today, 11 and 7 years old, and I believe that they do not even have thick l, but I am not certain. Wickedness and decay apparently roams free in the land, and the righteous must stand firm against evil and depravity. :evil:
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby TeneReef » 2014-06-15, 15:09

Örnsköldsvik and Sundsvall are stressed on the final syllable or not? :hmm:
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby Grytolle » 2014-06-15, 18:11

TeneReef wrote:Örnsköldsvik and Sundsvall are stressed on the final syllable or not? :hmm:

Örnsköldsvik has stress on vik and Sundsvall has whatever you call the accent typical of compounds :)

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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby Jurgen Wullenwever » 2014-06-15, 19:20

Grytolle wrote:
TeneReef wrote:Örnsköldsvik and Sundsvall are stressed on the final syllable or not? :hmm:

Örnsköldsvik has stress on vik and Sundsvall has whatever you call the accent typical of compounds :)

Actually, the older, now abandoned, stress on Sundsvall was on the last syllable, similar to the way Hudiksvall still is pronounced. But nowadays Sundsvall has ordinary grave accent/two-syllable accent.
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby Johanna » 2014-06-16, 21:53

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I split off the OT discussion, it can now be found here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=43233

In the future, I think it would be best if you (general you) kept to correcting Swedish, and not English. I know that you just want to help, but it's really easy to derail the thread, and this is after all the Swedish forum, not the English one.

But do feel free to contact each other via PM about anything :)
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby dEhiN » 2014-06-17, 4:35

My apologies Johanna! I guess i tend to follow the flow of the thread, but I will stay on-topic from now on!
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby TeneReef » 2014-07-01, 19:00

On another forum, a Swedish guy said Smurfarna and Smurferna had different tones.

Why is that?

Is it because Smurferna is affected by -er ethnic plural rule*?

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The one that says -er plurals of ethnicities have accent 1 (akut):
britter, goter, khmerer...
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby alexu0103 » 2014-11-18, 20:34

For all the pronounciations questions, I can really just encourage you to have a look at www.forvo.com
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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby Rokas » 2014-11-18, 23:19

Does anyone know of a good (preferably on-line) resource on how to pronounce names of nationalities in Swedish?

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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby hashi » 2014-11-18, 23:48

Rokas wrote:Does anyone know of a good (preferably on-line) resource on how to pronounce names of nationalities in Swedish?

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Re: Swedish Pronunciation [formerly 'Swedish r']

Postby Rokas » 2014-11-19, 12:02

Thanks.

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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby Tenebrarum » 2015-01-02, 6:11

I've been translating a Swedish novel (through its English edition), and I've decided to provide my readers with pronunciation cues of the Swedish proper nouns littered throughout the book.

The one thing I find surprising is the treatment of intervocalic stops. In most cases they're aspirated, yet in certain positions, most notably in streetnames (-gatan), I can hear no aspiration. Is there any rule governing this? I've been googling but so far to no avail.

Vietnamese has a t/th and a k/kh contrast, so a difference in aspiration would show in the cue. I want to approximate the original Swedish pronunciation as closely as possible, so any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby jahimees » 2015-01-02, 13:38

Here you are :)
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby razlem » 2015-01-04, 7:27

Any significant distinctions between de/det/dig?
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby Johanna » 2015-01-04, 8:24

razlem wrote:Any significant distinctions between de/det/dig?

de – /dɔm/
det – /deː/ or /dɛː/
dig – /dɛj/

Edit: It may look weird that de is pronounced that way, but it used to be more logical, once upon a time :) What happened was that nominative and oblique merged for this pronoun and only the oblique form was left, but the written language still makes this distinction in neutral to high registers.

Then to complicate things further, the nominative/oblique form used in spoken Standard Swedish isn't identical to the oblique one we use when we write (dem), but considering all the dialects and accents we've got, there's a long tradition of using compromises rather than the most wide-spread forms in the written language.

In colloquial registers it's OK to write dom. And dej instead of dig for that matter.
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby TeneReef » 2015-01-06, 16:42

Do they still use de [di:] in Scania? :hmm:
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby Johanna » 2015-01-06, 19:10

TeneReef wrote:Do they still use de [di:] in Scania? :hmm:

It's used in many genuine dialects, but not in any version of Standard Swedish as far as I know.

If there is anyone who speaks regional standard Swedish and still uses it, that person is definitely older than 50, probably even 60.
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby Tenebrarum » 2015-01-07, 10:08

jahimees wrote:Here you are :)

Many thanks. So basically voiceless stops are not aspirated after a vowel and when in cluster?
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

Postby Johanna » 2015-01-07, 11:31

Tenebrarum wrote:So basically voiceless stops are not aspirated after a vowel and when in cluster?

From my understanding of that explanation, they're not aspirated after s (but they definitely are in other clusters), and after the stressed vowel of a polysyllabic word.

But about that s thing, I'm pretty sure it's after any sibilant really.
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Re: Svenskt uttal / Swedish pronunciation

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