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Afrikaans and Dutch

Postby AlexandreMsx » 2007-08-21, 23:28

What are the diferences and where they are the same? Thanks a lot!

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Postby Vocalis » 2007-09-07, 4:02

I asked a native speaker for you. She said Afrikaans is like a mix of Dutch and French. The impression she gave was that it was like Portuguese being a mix of Spanish and French.

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Postby deardron » 2007-09-07, 18:10

I've heard there's no strong verbs in Afrikaans and the grammar is more simplified than in Dutch.

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Postby JaneFairfax » 2007-09-07, 23:37

Dutch has two or three genders. Afrikaans has no grammatical gender.

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Postby AlexandreMsx » 2007-09-13, 20:33

Cool... :o

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Postby Siegel » 2007-09-13, 21:23

Afrikaans started out as a dialect of Dutch.

Grammatically Afrikaans has no strong verbs, for example

Dutch: breken, gebroken
Afrikaans: breek, gebreek

no conjugation, there's double negation, pronouns differ as well as orthography.

ek vs. ik
jy vs. je/jij
hy vs. he/hij
sy vs. ze/zij
julle vs. jullie
hulle vs. ze/zij
U is the same

Written official Afrikaans would be understood by Dutch speakers, very colloquial slangy language not really, spoken lang is harder too.
^^lol^^

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Postby Vlamingke » 2008-04-01, 15:49

Het Afrikaans is toch altijd mooi om te horen en te lezen . Lijkt zo goed op het Nederlands :D zonder dat je er iets voor moet leren .

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Afrikaans en Nederlands

Postby Vlamingke » 2008-04-03, 13:59

Wanneer gaat men Afrikaans en Nederlands terug als 1 taal zien? zoals het vroeger was ?

Afrikaans Nederlands (Afrikaans)
Belgisch Nederlands (Vlaams)
Hollands Nederlands
Surinaams Nederlands
:D ???
De talen zijn zo aan elkaar verbonden .

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Postby Siegel » 2008-04-03, 15:44

Wanneer gaat men Nederlands en Nederduits terug als 1 taal zien? zoals het vroeger was ?



afrikaans is en sal nooit nederlands wees nie

die hele wes-germaanse taalgroep kan as een taal beskou word so jou vraag was nie eers toepaslik nie
^^lol^^

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Postby Vlamingke » 2008-04-03, 19:24

Inderdaad is het Afrikaans al verder weg ontwikkelt van het standaardnederlands (een dochtertaal).
Ik zie Afrikaans ook als een "andere" taal maar het voelt nog altijd aan als "moedertaal" wat ik van Engels nooit zal zeggen want dat is pas een vreemde taal ook al kan ik Engels .
Afrikaans terug associëren met Nederlands komt die taal alleen maar ten goede en omgekeerd of hebben jullie zo'n hekel aan de Nederlandstalige gemeenschap gekregen of zo van ons weggegroeid ? Alle beetjes helpen :D Officieël zoiets als Afrikaans Nederlands en in de volksmond gewoon Afrikaans genoemd ....
Het enigste wat mij interesseert is om dat mooie Afrikaans te laten beschermen door de grotere moedertaal Nederlands . Engels heeft "niets" te maken met Afrikaans , Nederlands wel .
Zuid-Afrika en Namibië zouden bij de Nederlandse Taalunie moeten komen zoals Suriname een verrijking is voor die taalunie als je dat kent die unie .
Niet om allemaal AN te spreken maar als doel mekaars o zo nauwverwante talen te helpen bevorderen . Eendracht maakt macht :D .

voorbeeld ,
Het Nederlands heeft Vlaanderen gered van de verfransing . Andere tijd , andere omstandigheden ..
Ik spreek "Vlaams" zoals alle Vlamingen en "geen" Nederlands zoals die noorderburen van ons maar ik zie mezelf wel als Nerderlandssprekende en daar ben ik fier op ..... ( Vlaams bestaat niet echt maar we doen nu niet moeilijk ) Een Nederlander verstaat soms met moeite of niets als 2 Vlamingen tegen mekaar bezig zijn en ik merk dat ook op als ik op internet tegen Nederlanders bezig ben dat die dat soms dat niet verstaan . ( voorbeeld , ik noem Piet = Vlaams , ik heet Piet = NL , ik zijn , gij zijt (zijn - wees )= Vlaams , ik ben , jij bent = NL , zinsbouw is soms ook anders..). Dan moet ik AN typen of praten .
Als Vlaming ben ik tegen de benaming van het Vlaamstalig grondgebied op een kaart te zetten ofzo (daar moet staan Nederlandstalig), er is geen Vlaamse schrijftaal en maar best ook ..
Afrikaans moet dus wel zijn schrijftaal en spreektaal voortzetten maar als men over Afrikaans spreekt dat men dan direct Nederlands denken .
Als men Nederlands zegt moet men direct aan Afrikaans , Europees Nederlands en Surinaams Nederlands denken

Afrikaans hoort bij Nederlands , dat ken je wel zeker :D . Laat dat merken :D

haha ik ben zo slecht om iets goed uit te leggen , was goed dat Nederduits hehe . Ik heb al 10x mijn tekst aangepast , ik ben het beu dus ik geef wel commentaar als je een opmerking hebt.

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Postby Siegel » 2008-04-04, 15:11

lol jy wen :*
^^lol^^

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Die mooie Nederlandse/Afrikaans cultuur

Postby Vlamingke » 2008-04-04, 15:47

:D
op dit forum staat nog commentaar , lees het :D

http://www.afrikaans.nu/cgi-bin/yabb/Ya ... 0;start=15

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Postby evilbu » 2008-04-05, 20:04

Hoi, kersvers lid hier. 8)

I'll continue in English since the topicstarter wrote in English.

I am Flemish, so my native language is Dutch ( or one of the many Dutch dialects)
I think Afrikaans is a separate language, but mutually intelligible to some degree.
I don't think it's a mixture of French and Dutch, more like a simplified form of Dutch ( no conjugations, no genders)

One Flemish reporter visited South Africa and she said "It's the other side of the world but the pin-machines help you in almost the same language" :lol:


Many Afrikaners went to Dutchspeaking territories (the Netherlands and Flanders) in the last century. I actually know one person like that, and the funny thing is that she never really completely switches to Dutch (she still says "ons" instead of "we" and stuff like that :D )

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Postby Siegel » 2008-04-06, 14:59

charming <3

those people who say afrikaans is a mixture of french and dutch have no idea what theyre talking about and dont ever believe them. just because their BLOOD is a mixture of french and dutch doesnt mean their language is too lolz :D
^^lol^^

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Postby andre » 2008-04-07, 18:57

Siegel wrote:
those people who say afrikaans is a mixture of french and dutch have no idea what theyre talking about and dont ever believe them. just because their BLOOD is a mixture of french and dutch doesnt mean their language is too lolz :D


Agreed. Afrikaans does have some French words, and French did have an influence on the development of Afrikaans, but Afrikaans is most certainly not a mixture of Dutch and French. The Afrikaners are mainly of Dutch and German descent, with French in third place. (I'm more of French descent, but with quite a dash of German thrown in.)

As for Dutch and Afrikaans getting closer, I agree that the position of Afrikaans can be strenghtened by closer ties with Dutch. In recent years the interest in Dutch here has grown slightly. But it should be remembered that they are two seperate languages, existing in totally different cultural environments. Afikaans speakers think of Dutch as interesting, a language which is close to Afrikaans, sort of in the way that you'd think of a relative you don't really know, and haven't seen since childhood.On the rare occasion that we get Dutch TV programmes here, they are dubbed into Afrikaans, and Dutch books are translated into Afrikaans. But there are a few Dutch singers who are popular here, such as Stef Bos. The fact that these singers also do Afrikaans songs, probably has a lot to do with it.

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Postby andre » 2008-04-07, 19:01

evilbu wrote:I actually know one person like that, and the funny thing is that she never really completely switches to Dutch (she still says "ons" instead of "we" and stuff like that :D )


You're right, it seems impossible for an Afrikaans speaker to become totally fluent in Dutch, and vice versa. My godparents were Dutch, they emigrated from the Netherlands just after WW2. But while both of them spoke Afrikaans, there would always be some Dutch words inbetween (such as "krant" for newspaper, "koerant" in Afrikaans).

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Postby evilbu » 2008-04-12, 16:35

andre wrote:But there are a few Dutch singers who are popular here, such as Stef Bos. The fact that these singers also do Afrikaans songs, probably has a lot to do with it.

And also Flemish artists, like Dana Winner, but you can have her if you really want her. :oops:

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Postby andre » 2008-04-13, 20:14

evilbu wrote:
andre wrote:But there are a few Dutch singers who are popular here, such as Stef Bos. The fact that these singers also do Afrikaans songs, probably has a lot to do with it.

And also Flemish artists, like Dana Winner, but you can have her if you really want her. :oops:


Yes... But we don't really want her, really, I mean it, keep her, please... :cry: We don't want to take her from you, maybe you need her, but really, please, please, please keep her... :cry:

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Postby Vlamingke » 2008-04-14, 13:24

You can have all Flemish singers . They are all terrible :D , Dana Winner , Will Tura , Clouseau , Helmot Lotti ....

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Postby Siegel » 2008-04-14, 14:40

wat van laïs?
^^lol^^


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