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Postby kalemiye » 2008-06-17, 10:12

This is a threadto post links with resources to study Urdu:

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Postby huhmzah » 2008-06-20, 2:14

This is my favorite dictionary:

http://urduseek.com/

It is extremely thorough and quite accurate. It covers the wide-vocabulary of Urdu very well -- sometimes however it may cite archaic terms of Sanskritic or Persian origin that DO appear in literature etc but may not be used by or even recognized by the average Urdu-speaker.

It's an excellent resource for anyone wanting to become an اردودان (Urdûdân = "An Urdu 'Savant'")*

For those interested in Urdu poetry, here's a good reference dictionary:

http://www.learningurdu.com/

AND - a tangent :)
* the "-dân" suffix is from the word "dânish" (knowledge / expertise / cognition) and is attached to nouns to indicate "expert/savant of...". The word "Danish" and all words that come from it have an "academic" meaning attached to them. For instance the word "Arbidân" means "Arabist" - someone who knows Arabic very well in the academic sense.
Other Urdu words in which other terms coming out of "Danish" appears are:

"Dânishâmoz" (دانش آموز) = Student, researcher
"Dânishmend" (دانشمند) = Expert, Academic
"Dânishgâh" (دانگاه) = University
"Dânishkeda" (دانشكده) = College
"Dânishver" (دانشور) = Intelligentsia, Judicious
"Dâna" = Sane
"Nadân" = Insane.

And a commonly appearing adjective:
"Dânishmendâna" = well-educated, sagacious
ex. "Vo ek dânishmendâna herket thi." --> That was a well-educated/intelligent action.
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Postby eskandar » 2008-06-21, 19:29

The "dân" stem and most words derived from it are borrowed directly from Persian, although it looks like there are some that have taken on differences in meaning. For instance, "dânâ" means learned or wise in Persian, rather than sane, whereas "nâdân" means ignorant or foolish rather than insane.
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Postby huhmzah » 2008-06-22, 0:24

eskandar wrote: For instance, "dânâ" means learned or wise in Persian, rather than sane, whereas "nâdân" means ignorant or foolish rather than insane.


Ah! Interesting -- Though the words "dâna" and "nadân" have come to take on a "mental-health" meaning in Urdu, (i.e. sane vs. insane) a derivative of nadân -> nadânia'n (nasal n) نادانياں may be used to imply foolishness or silliness (but in a non-derogatory way).

I'm reminded of a famous couplet by Ghalib:
[rp]
دل ناداں تجھے ہوا کیا ہے
آخر اس درد کی دوا کیا ہے
ہم کو ان سے وفا کی ہے امید،
جو نہیں جانتے وفا کیا ہے[/rp]

"Dilé nâdâN tujhé hua kya hê?
Akhir is dard ki davâ kya hê?
Hum ko un sé vafâ ki hê umîd,
Jo nahiN janté, vafâ kya hê.."

"O crazy-heart, what has happened to you?
What, after all, is the cure to this pain?
We [I] expect fidelity-in-love from the one,
Who does not know, what fidelity-in-love means."

He wrote this poem for a "tavayif" that he had fallen for. Tavayifs were women "escorts" to the Urdu-speaking elite in India (and modern day Pakistan) -- they were mostly Muslim, and were the equivalents of Geishas in Japan in that they weren't exactly prostitutes but rather would recite poetry and literature, serve tea and show-off the latest fashions etc etc to their customers. In the 80s India made a movie on Ghalib's life and included this "nazm" (poem) in one of the scenes where the Tavayif is depicted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt4naD3VxCs

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Postby Aleco » 2008-06-22, 8:44

Wow, I never knew these languages were Indo-European :shock: And I've never even looked at them! And it seems like Urdu has retroflexed sounds, which is easy to learn for me since I'm Norwegian (or, since I know them already :P )
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Postby kalemiye » 2008-06-22, 9:07

@Humhzah: So this Tavayif is what is depicted in the movie Pakeezah or Umrao Jaan? I noticed that the main characters of both movies were some sort of geishas!

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Postby huhmzah » 2008-06-22, 14:52

Aleco wrote:Wow, I never knew these languages were Indo-European :shock: And I've never even looked at them! And it seems like Urdu has retroflexed sounds, which is easy to learn for me since I'm Norwegian (or, since I know them already :P )
Thanks Psi. :)


haha yes! Urdu is an Indo-European language - AND if you know how to produce retroflex sounds, then you're set cuz that's half the battle ;) I didn't know Norwegian had retroflex sounds - in my head I pretend it "sounds" like German, but I'm sure that's wrong :)

The only time I've heard Norwegian (is it called Norsk?) was this Pakistani family I knew that lived in Oslo and was visiting -- the kids spoke Norwegian with each other -- but I really don't remember how exactly it sounded. They told me that there's a fairly large population of Punjabi Pakistanis in Norway and that it's probably the biggest non-European minority there -- is that true?

renata wrote:@Humhzah: So this Tayavif is what is depicted in the movie Pakeezah or Umrao Jaan? I noticed that the main characters of both movies were some sort of geishas!


YES! I was in fact thinking of citing Umrao Jan and Pakeezah as examples but I thought NO one would recognize those names outside of India and Pakistan OR Urdu-speakers.

Umrao Jan is based on an Urdu book by Mirza Hadi Ruswa titled "Umrao Jan Ada" and is a very widely-read piece. Umrao Jaan was a real woman (named Amiran) and she recounted her story to Ruswa who wrote it down and published it. Interestingly Umrao Jan reciprocated by writing and publishing a book on Ruswa's life titled "Fasâné Ruswa".

There are countless movies and dramas based on Umrao Jan made in both Pakistan and in India -- If someone's interested in seeing Aishwarya Rai pretending to sing in Urdu (she was criticized quite a bit for her reaally horrible Urdu accent, here she's lucky cuz its dubbbed ;) ) - here's a link to a song from a recent remake of an old movie made on Umrao Jan(the song is very slow tho, so it's ideal to pick up on words for those of you learning Urdu):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86KP94wSehc

And a clip from the movie Pakeezah also based on the story of a Tavaif -- slow song again to practice Urdu ;):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzoP3hytl8

And one from the Umrao Jan made in the 80s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYSquc4Fy54

And there is also a tavayif depicted in the famous Hindi novel Devdas (unfortunately the only "Muslim" character in the whole book is the prostitute lol):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk9eefLWrqg

Here's a recent Pakistani TV-drama on Umrao Jan:

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Postby kalemiye » 2008-06-22, 18:43

This user is uploading Pakeezah : http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=GqTmAGFo9vg. I've already watched the parts that are uploaded and I am enjoying it. Also that user has the movie Mughal-e-Azam (which I love) uploaded.

Poor Aish! :lol: She's not even a native speaker of an indoaryan language, her native language is a dravidic language called tulu. Anyways, I think Aishwarya doesn't fit for the role of Umrao Jaan... I liked her in Devdas, but when I watched the movie I didn't get Madhuri Dixit's character was a muslim (I guess I didn't pay much attention :lol:).

Back to topic, I heard Pradeep Kumar spoke a very good Urdu, but sadly I haven't been able to hear him :( (nobody has uploaded Taj Mahal or anyother of his movies to youtube AFAIK, but the songs have been uploaded, I particularly like this one: http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=c2IAQnEGAjI). Also, it seems that the whole cast of Mughal-e-Azam speaks great Urdu, although I can't tell :lol: since I am no Urdu speaker myself. Do you recommend it as a movie in which we can hear Urdu spoken at its best?
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Postby huhmzah » 2008-06-22, 19:29

I guess I should be less critical of Aishwarya's Urdu considering her native tongue is a Dravidian language ;) -- its jst that through most of the movie she sounds like a Hindi speaker trying to imitate what Urdu "sounds" like -- it has a distinct "bollywoody-hindi" touch to it.

As for Devdas - Chandramukhi's character as far as I know is of a Muslim but I'll double check. In either case she is portrayed as a "tavaif" which in itself is usually a marker for a "Muslim" (I'm sure there were Hindu tavaifs as well, but the phenomenon itself was basically "euphemistic" prostitution in the conservative Muslim elite, so tavaifs would always dress like Muslims and speak Urdu). She speaks in very "marked" Urdu in the film as well, dresses like a Muslim (notice the lack of a "bindi" when she is in her tavaif garb) and her songs abound with Islamic imagery and symbolism (frequent references to "dua", "Allah", "khuda" etc) - also if you notice she always does an "adaab" when greeting (lifting her hand to her forehead, a distinctly Muslim way of greeting) etc. I guess its also much more noticeable to native speakers because the Hindu characters in the movie speak in very polished proper literary Hindi abounding with Sanskrit etc. so Chandramukhi's character really stands out as being "different" because her speech is immediately noticeable as being Urdu. (If you're interested, another excellent movie based on the writings of the same author is Parineeta -- the movie is almost completely devoid of ANY Urdu, and is in very pure and proper Hindi - a good resource if u're interested in "hearing" Hindi.)

As for Mughal-e-Azam -- yes :) -- the Urdu's right on the mark - accent/lexicon everything -- but I guess what went in their favor was that both Dilip Kumar and Madhubala were Muslims hailing from the North-West (Peshawar, Pakistan now) and spoke proper Urdu at home (and knew how to read/write it) -- Coincidentally my parents know Dilip Kumar and his wife pretty well -- they actually accompanied them both on a visit to Pakistan a few years back up and down the country and then to Peshawar to see Mr. Khan's relatives (his actual name's Yusuf Khan). Both him and his wife speak VERY crisp and proper Urdu :).

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Postby kalemiye » 2008-06-22, 20:26

I saw Devdas with English subtitles long ago, so I guess I missed everything :lol:.

Wow, so your parents know Dilip Kumar!!! :shock:. I read somewhere He dated Madhubala for some time, they made such a good couple in the movie... (*mohabbat zindabad*).

Baiju Bawra is in Hindi or Urdu? I know the playback singer is Mohammed Rafi, a Pakistani, and that it takes place in the time of the Great Mughal Akbar, but since the main character is a hindu...

I leave some links to a couple of songs of Baiju Bawra:

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=95rsl4qREx8
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zSS_AMvzw
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Postby Aleco » 2008-06-22, 21:12

huhmzah wrote:
Aleco wrote:Wow, I never knew these languages were Indo-European :shock: And I've never even looked at them! And it seems like Urdu has retroflexed sounds, which is easy to learn for me since I'm Norwegian (or, since I know them already :P )
Thanks Psi. :)


haha yes! Urdu is an Indo-European language - AND if you know how to produce retroflex sounds, then you're set cuz that's half the battle ;) I didn't know Norwegian had retroflex sounds - in my head I pretend it "sounds" like German, but I'm sure that's wrong :)

The only time I've heard Norwegian (is it called Norsk?) was this Pakistani family I knew that lived in Oslo and was visiting -- the kids spoke Norwegian with each other -- but I really don't remember how exactly it sounded. They told me that there's a fairly large population of Punjabi Pakistanis in Norway and that it's probably the biggest non-European minority there -- is that true?

Yeah, we hav retroflexed d, l, t, s and n as well as most eastern dialects having r, and some northern having z. :) And I know they're a huge problem to most!

Yeah, 'norsk' ;) (retroflexed S :P ) Well I do know that we have a LOT of pakisatni people in Oslo in particular. Like, some schools are mad eup of 80% middle easterns (almost always Pakistani), so he might be right! I wouldn't be surprised.
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Postby kalemiye » 2008-06-23, 8:52

There is a large Pakistani community in Barcelona (in fact the only Urdu-speaking radio channel is in Barcelona: http://elgranteatrodelmundo.blogspot.com/2007/12/pakcelona-la-radio-que-habla-urd.html), while in Madrid there is a not very big Indian community, but a large Bangladeshi community.
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اردو لغت

Postby Psi-Lord » 2008-08-13, 21:14

Has this particular اردو لغت been mentioned?

http://www.crulp.org/oud/default.aspx

Though mostly useful for advanced students (as it seems not all entries have English glosses to match), I thought it was still worth pointing. And perhaps native speakers / advanced students may give some input on how beginners might benefit from it. :)
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Re: Urdu Links

Postby Meera » 2008-10-09, 17:25

thanks for the links.

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Postby mastermind786 » 2008-10-11, 10:11

huhmzah wrote:This is my favorite dictionary:

http://urduseek.com/

It is extremely thorough and quite accurate. It covers the wide-vocabulary of Urdu very well -- sometimes however it may cite archaic terms of Sanskritic or Persian origin that DO appear in literature etc but may not be used by or even recognized by the average Urdu-speaker.

It's an excellent resource for anyone wanting to become an اردودان (Urdûdân = "An Urdu 'Savant'")*

For those interested in Urdu poetry, here's a good reference dictionary:

http://www.learningurdu.com/

AND - a tangent :)
* the "-dân" suffix is from the word "dânish" (knowledge / expertise / cognition) and is attached to nouns to indicate "expert/savant of...". The word "Danish" and all words that come from it have an "academic" meaning attached to them. For instance the word "Arbidân" means "Arabist" - someone who knows Arabic very well in the academic sense.
Other Urdu words in which other terms coming out of "Danish" appears are:

"Dânishâmoz" (دانش آموز) = Student, researcher
"Dânishmend" (دانشمند) = Expert, Academic
"Dânishgâh" (دانگاه) = University
"Dânishkeda" (دانشكده) = College
"Dânishver" (دانشور) = Intelligentsia, Judicious
"Dâna" = Sane
"Nadân" = Insane.

And a commonly appearing adjective:
"Dânishmendâna" = well-educated, sagacious
ex. "Vo ek dânishmendâna herket thi." --> That was a well-educated/intelligent action.
وه ايك دانشمندانه حركت تهى



Really nice sharing

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Re: Urdu Links

Postby langurdu » 2014-09-11, 23:04

For improving Urdu vocabulary please try:
http://www.urdu-english.com/lessons/beginner


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