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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-04-25, 2:49

TeneReef wrote:
Meera wrote:They use tu all the time in Mumbai. :P

:shock: Really?
That's great. :whistle:


Yes, well it's the lowest form of you so I wouldn't reccomend using it. But it's quite common to hear it. You can hear it in movies and serials based in Mumbai. Even in Pavitra Rishta which is based on a Marathi family uses it.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Zarathustra » 2014-04-25, 4:23

More on Tu:

1. Tu is very commonly used to address God (Allah, Khuda, Bhagawaan, Eeshwar, etc.), while Tum is slightly less common and Aap is extremely rare, except, for example, in Bhagawaan-jee and occasionally in Allah Mian.

2. Tu is almost never used with ceremonial/extremely formal verbs, e.g. Padhaarna (to come, arrive or enter) as in Aap padhariye (Hindi) or Tashreef laana (to come, arrive, enter or "bring one's presence") as in Aap tashreef laaiye (Urdu).

3. "Tu-Tadaak" (noun, usually feminine) is a somewhat derogatory term for a rude (often petty) argument, general rudeness/vulgarity in speech, or simply the use of the "vulgar" Tu and related terms (Tujhey, Tera, etc.). "Tu-Tu-MaiN-MaiN" (feminine noun, literally "You-You-I-I", a slightly stronger version of "Nok-JhoNk") is another common term for a heated or rude (often petty) argument/quarrel.

Example sentences:

Woh (that) / ladkaa (boy)/ toh (exclamatory word)/ tu-tadaak (vulgarity/rudeness in speech)/ par utar aayaa (descended to).

Saas (mother-in-law) / aur (and) / bahoo (daughter-in-law)/ ke beech (between) / tu-tu-maiN-maiN (petty argument/quarrel) chaltee rahtee hai (goes on). :silly:


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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Zarathustra » 2014-04-25, 7:19

Addressing parents: some example sentences with Aap, Tum and Tu


"Father, how are you?"

1. Abbaa/Abbaa Jaan/Abboo/Abboo Jaan/Abbaaji/Abbaa Huzoor/Baabaa/Baabaa Jaan/Baabaa-jee/Baboo-jee/Papa/Papa Jaan/Papa-jee/Daddy/Daddy-jee/Dad, aap kaisey haiN [or ho]? (Urdu, especially urban)

2. Pitaa-jee/Pitaa-shree/Papa/Papa-jee/Daddy/Daddy-jee/Dad/Baabaa/Baabaa-jee/Baaboo-jee/Baapoo-jee/Baaoo-jee, aap kaisey haiN [or ho]? (Hindi, especially urban)

3. Abbaa/Abboo/Baabaa/Baaboo/Baapoo/Papa/Daddy/Dad, tum kaise ho? (Urdu/Hindi)

4. Baapoo, tu kaisaa hai? (Hindi, rural)


"Mother, how are you?"

1. Ammee/Ammee Jaan/Ammee-jee/Ammaa/Ammaa-jee/Mama/Mamma/Mummy/Mummy Jaan/Mummy-jee/MaaN/MaaN-jee/Maataa-jee/Maataa-shree, aap kaisee haiN [or ho]? (Urdu/Hindi)

2. Ammee/Ammaa/Mama/Mamma/Mummy/MaaN, tum kaisee ho? (Urdu/Hindi)

3. Amma/MaaN, tu kaisee hai? (Urdu/Hindi, especially rural)


The standard forms Waalid/Waal(i)da (Urdu) and Pitaa/Maataa (Hindi) are rarely used to directly address one's father/mother.

How do/would you address your parents? :D

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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-07-12, 3:00

Zarathustra wrote:How do/would you address your parents? :D

My parents aren't Hindi-speakers, but my sister-in-law's parents are, and she just calls her parents "Mom" and "Dad."

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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-08-02, 2:51

Zarathustra, that's a hard question to answer because in Hindi there are many different ways to say mom/dad and a lot of it depends on the persons religious background and their mother tongue.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-08-02, 7:20

Yeah. Also maybe on their social class and/or language attitudes sometimes. :)

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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-08-02, 21:36

yeah exactly, Someone in Mumbai might use mom/dad, but someone in a rural area might use mata-pita.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby TeneReef » 2014-08-19, 3:46

It's better to sound cool (and use tu) than sound posh (and use plural forms like tum and aap). :mrgreen:
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-08-27, 6:20

TeneReef wrote:It's better to sound cool (and use tu) than sound posh (and use plural forms like tum and aap). :mrgreen:


TeenReef, I would highly suggest againist that because you might offend someone greatly.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby TeneReef » 2014-08-27, 15:00

But why do they use then tu and words like tera or tujhi all the times in Bollywood movies, songs, talkshows? :roll: :P
If they're sooooooooo offensive, no one would ever use them at all, or they would be banned from TV productions (in the same way Y'ALL is in Hollywood...)
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby linguoboy » 2014-08-27, 16:19

TeneReef wrote:But why do they use then tu and words like tera or tujhi all the times in Bollywood movies, songs, talkshows?

Because those movies and songs (can't speak to talkshows) involve people who are on intimate terms or wish to be. I could be wrong, but I don't think this will be the case with most Hindi-speakers you speak to.

She didn't say the words were inherently offensive, so your statement about "banning" them from television is nonsensical strawmanning.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby TeneReef » 2014-08-27, 23:56

I am more likely to speak to Indians in English than in Hindi*,
and I wouldn't use tu for people older than me anyway :mrgreen:
Furthermore, using aap with children seems very weird,
just like using você would be in Portugal, when addressing a kid. :P

[* because in formal situations, with authorities etc.. people are more comfortable with English than with formal Hindi,
that's why English is used in legislature and in high education in India...]


From a native speaker of Hindi's point of view:
The usage of "aap" is very widespread in rural areas: a brother even one year older is addressed to as "aap", and so on. Whereas, in cities, "aap" is considered 'unmodern', and more and more "tu" is used. In cities like Mumbai, FM radio stations have hosts even addressing the listeners as "tu"


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The little sweeper boy in the teashop is to be referred to as `tu', a colleague at work as `tum' and the boss, or an elder as `aap'. A new acquaintance is usually an `aap', where `aap' denotes distance and unfamiliarity. Gradually, depending on the circumstances, he may become a `tum' and very occasionally the relationship may deepen enough to address him as `tu', where `tu' becomes a symbol of closeness and comfort.

Delhi's triple standards are in stark contrast to Mumbai-speak, where everyone is equally called a nonchalant `tu'.

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mp/200 ... 510300.htm
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-08-28, 21:27

TeneReef wrote:But why do they use then tu and words like tera or tujhi all the times in Bollywood movies, songs, talkshows? :roll: :P
If they're sooooooooo offensive, no one would ever use them at all, or they would be banned from TV productions (in the same way Y'ALL is in Hollywood...)


Because Bollywood songs are romantic and they usually know each other intimately. They use tu to refer to god too. And it isn't a bad word, it's just offensive to use to someone you aren't extremely close too (even then I would advise against unless the person starts calling you tu first) And also in most Bollywood films they usually refer to each other as TUM. and tu is only used for songs because it sounds more poetic. And I've never heard anyone use Tu on a talkshow.



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TeneReef wrote:But why do they use then tu and words like tera or tujhi all the times in Bollywood movies, songs, talkshows?

Because those movies and songs (can't speak to talkshows) involve people who are on intimate terms or wish to be. I could be wrong, but I don't think this will be the case with most Hindi-speakers you speak to.

She didn't say the words were inherently offensive, so your statement about "banning" them from television is nonsensical strawmanning.



Yes lingouboy you are exactly right!
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-08-28, 21:31

TeneReef wrote:I am more likely to speak to Indians in English than in Hindi*,
and I wouldn't use tu for people older than me anyway :mrgreen:
Furthermore, using aap with children seems very weird,
just like using você would be in Portugal, when addressing a kid. :P

[* because in formal situations, with authorities etc.. people are more comfortable with English than with formal Hindi,
that's why English is used in legislature and in high education in India...]


From a native speaker of Hindi's point of view:
The usage of "aap" is very widespread in rural areas: a brother even one year older is addressed to as "aap", and so on. Whereas, in cities, "aap" is considered 'unmodern', and more and more "tu" is used. In cities like Mumbai, FM radio stations have hosts even addressing the listeners as "tu"


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The little sweeper boy in the teashop is to be referred to as `tu', a colleague at work as `tum' and the boss, or an elder as `aap'. A new acquaintance is usually an `aap', where `aap' denotes distance and unfamiliarity. Gradually, depending on the circumstances, he may become a `tum' and very occasionally the relationship may deepen enough to address him as `tu', where `tu' becomes a symbol of closeness and comfort.

Delhi's triple standards are in stark contrast to Mumbai-speak, where everyone is equally called a nonchalant `tu'.

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mp/200 ... 510300.htm



I never said you had to refer to a child as "Aap", unless the kid was like a prince you wouldn't. You should use Tum. Some people may use Tu to a child, but as a non-indian you really shouldn't. Seriously do not use Tu, you will offend a lot of people if you do. If you want to use a more familiar word than use Tum. But dont use it with someone older you or someone you just met. I wouldn't start using unless it was a child or if the person uses it with you. You can really offend people by using the wrong pronoun.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby TeneReef » 2014-08-28, 22:15

Meera wrote:And also in most Bollywood films they usually refer to each other as TUM. and tu is only used for songs because it sounds more poetic.


Alia Bhatt's character addresses one of girlfriends of hers with tu, in Student of the Year.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-09-01, 0:57

She probably knew the girl for a long time. I didn't hear her call Sid or Varun tu. TeenReef if you went to India and used tu with everyone you will greatly offend people.
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby TeneReef » 2014-09-01, 1:39

I will just use you. :D
After all, Hinglish seems to be prestigious. :)
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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Saim » 2014-12-19, 17:27

:para:
ماں بولی = قومی بولی

پنجابی بولو، پنجابی پڑھو، پنجابی لکھو

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Re: Aap, Tum, Tu

Postby Meera » 2014-12-24, 2:43

Saim wrote::para:


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