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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby Tailenesia » 2008-12-25, 2:18

YEA EXACTLY TRUE... HE'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT I SAID. :twisted: :twisted:

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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby Kanjese » 2008-12-25, 2:20

umm... sis... I told them already what it meant... and I think I know what you meant in feeling...
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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby sa wulfs » 2008-12-25, 14:12

If Mrhashimoto would've done that (decipher), Kanjese is impossible to decipher. Every sentence has a different format for different tenses like "I am buying a book in a "normal tense" would be "Soygan koy da suknia" but if you said it with an excited tense, it would be "Soygan kol da suknia chiatia" (Koy and Kol mean buy and Chiatia is what you say when your excited.)

If it has a coherent structure, we can decipher it. [/Predator]
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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby Kanjese » 2008-12-25, 20:37

sa wulfs wrote:
If Mrhashimoto would've done that (decipher), Kanjese is impossible to decipher. Every sentence has a different format for different tenses like "I am buying a book in a "normal tense" would be "Soygan koy da suknia" but if you said it with an excited tense, it would be "Soygan kol da suknia chiatia" (Koy and Kol mean buy and Chiatia is what you say when your excited.)

If it has a coherent structure, we can decipher it. [/Predator]


"decipher" the reason of the reply
"decipher" the meaning of the reply (which I did)
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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby hashi » 2010-02-01, 23:11

Nïxalos is back and has had itself a little bit of a reform. I haven't quite finished it yet, but I've got through the first paragraph of where is james and translated it into the new reforms.

Đeyms ïm Merï nïvam al arïka. kyönaya čenkï yul ïoxu, sankrï ambroxi. yevï, vserđia yul sankrï čakremoxba se! xör, movi al var ön ïkračïba. Đeyms ïm Merï ïkračïyana nala, alon skačil ïk ökroxi učakaya maye yal arïyana nïvam al ïkračïx.

Ḑeyms í Merí nívam al arík. Kónaya çenkí yu yox, saní amvox. Eví, vseda yu saní çaremoxva s! Xó, mov al varón íkraçíva. Ḑeyms í Merí íkraçíxaya nala, amva skaçí ík ókox oçaya maë al aríya nívam al íkraçíx.
/ˈdʒeɪms i meˈri ˈnivam al aˈrik. ˈkoːnaja tʃenˈki ju ˈjɔθ, saˈni aɱˈvɔθ. eˈvi, ˈfseda ju saˈni ˈtʃareˈmɔθfasː. ˈθoː mof ˈal vaˈroːn ˈikraˈtʃiːva. ˈdʒeɪms i meˈri ˈiːkraˈtʃiːθaja naˈla, aɱˈva skaˈtʃiː ˈoːkɔθ ɔˈtʃaja ma.ˈe al aˈriːja ˈnivam al ˈiːkraˈtʃːθ/

James and Mary are in the garden. The weather is nice today, it is very warm. But yesterday it was very cold! They could not play outside then. James and Mary love to play, they always play together in the garden in front of the big house.

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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby hashi » 2010-02-01, 23:41

Nïxalos is back and has had itself a little bit of a reform. I haven't quite finished it yet, but I've got through the first paragraph of where is james and translated it into the new reforms.

Đeyms ïm Merï nïvam al arïka. kyönaya čenkï yul ïoxu, sankrï ambroxi. yevï, vserđia yul sankrï čakremoxba se! xör, movi al var ön ïkračïba. Đeyms ïm Merï ïkračïyana nala, alon skačil ïk ökroxi učakaya maye yal arïyana nïvam al ïkračïx.

Ḑeyms í Merí nívam al arík. Kónaya çenkí yu yox, saní amvox. Eví, vseda yu saní çaremoxva s! Xó, mov al varón íkraçíva. Ḑeyms í Merí íkraçíxaya nala, amva skaçí ík ókox oçaya maë al aríya nívam al íkraçíx.
/ˈdʒeɪms i meˈri ˈnivam al aˈrik. ˈkoːnaja tʃenˈki ju ˈjɔθ, saˈni aɱˈvɔθ. eˈvi, ˈfseda ju saˈni ˈtʃareˈmɔθfasː. ˈθoː mof ˈal vaˈroːn ˈikraˈtʃiːva. ˈdʒeɪms i meˈri ˈiːkraˈtʃiːθaja naˈla, aɱˈva skaˈtʃiː ˈoːkɔθ ɔˈtʃaja ma.ˈe al aˈriːja ˈnivam al ˈiːkraˈtʃːθ/

James and Mary are in the garden. The weather is nice today, it is very warm. But yesterday it was very cold! They could not play outside then. James and Mary love to play, they always play together in the garden in front of the big house.

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I want to discuss my changes a little bit.

There are two basic quirks in the new orthography and sound system. The allophony of <v>, and the seemingly redundant differentiation between <i> and <í>.

Basically, in the old orthography, <i> morphed a lot of consonants it was next to, <xi> was /ts/, <si> was /z/, <đi> was /d/ and <vi> was /f/. Generally the old usage of <i> and <ï> was used to distinguish length, but <ï> became be to used only on the grounds of preventing the consonants around it to morph. When I designed the new orthography, I replaced <ï> with <í> because <ï> was to be used to show separation in diphthongs, so I replaced most <ï> with <í>. Because of this, there is very few <i> left in the language, or less so than <í> in any case. When I did the reform, I also made a number of choices about the morphed sounds, the /d/ once represented by <đi> came to have its own letter <d> which was introduced as the 21st letter of the alphabet. /ts/ which was represented by <xi> has been removed entirely from the language and is now mostly spelled as <x> /θ/. <si> was a rare sound in the old orthography as it was and shall just be replaced by <s> should I come across it. However, <vi> which was said as /f/ still remains in the language, but is now written solely as <v>. For this reason, as you can see above, words in the old language like movi (pronounced /mɔf/) are now written with a <v> (now mov) although still retaining the /f/. Hence the allphony.

Other changes included changing <ö> to <ó> to match the <ï> to <í> for the same reasons, the change from <č> to <ç> and <đ> to <ḑ> (mostly for aesthetic reasons) and yeah.

Spelling changes are quite common too. A good deal of <m(V)b> becomes <mv> and <sr> became <ş>. A lot of <y> were dropped off, and quite a few initial <u> became <o> or <ó>. MOST diphthongs were shortened down to just one vowel and most longer words where shortened too (mostly loosing <r>). Where old particles used to attach <y> at the front in combo's like mađoya uşïra yal has been dropped although the /j/ sound still exists. (that in the new ortho. would be maḑóya uşíra al /maˈdʒoːja uˈʃiːra jal/)

The new use of umlaut is basically just in words like maë, kaḑoëríx and ekakuïx which is used to show that the two vowels should be pronounced separately and not diphthongised.

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Re: Nïxalos, language of the Vïnčas people

Postby hashi » 2010-02-02, 22:18

Ok. New developments. I have decided to use the Armenian alphabet as a alternative script to the original one.

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Đeyms ïm Merï nïvam al arïka. kyönaya čenkï yul ïoxu, sankrï ambroxi. yevï, vserđia yul sankrï čakremoxba se! xör, movi al var ön ïkračïba. Đeyms ïm Merï ïkračïyana nala, alon skačil ïk ökroxi učakaya maye yal arïyana nïvam al ïkračïx.

Đeyms marvoxi karma, yöla şyes nasay. marvoxi karna muya bokna, yöla byač nasay. Đeyms marvoxi ïnu öy kabïmoïka, seyča ïnu yov nïvam al arïx. ïnu đya nas könoma yik ïkračïyana nala. seyča ïnu yul sankrï ureşoxu.

Merï yov ïnu öy kabïmoïka? Ben, Merï ïnu öy ön kabïmoïka, şkama nyeka öy. yevï nyeka učak al arïka, mu nekričïka.

Muya kravixï učak al nyeka yik arï, mađo ïbskalï, yim Đeyms ïm Merï ikračïkayana öy mu skalïx. Đeyms ökroxa vuroxi samen ox sučökrï kaşïrï, xör mu Merï yob kakusuïka. yakeba öy bonïmaïx? Merï suvamïka yim muya ruka kebaya maye yal arïka. Mu vrïşa öy ön skamïva yim kađoyerïka. bran? yöla, bran Đeyms samen al bevala arïka?

ïkra xör. Merï kađoyerana ovarïmana yos mu mavarï öy skalïx. Mu Đeyms öy narčïka. skul ox esđïba? Mö mu öy skalïba?

Merï Đeymsaya başö öy ön bonïmaïka. ïnu yox <Mö Đeyms öy skalïba?> öy brosčïx. yevï, ïnu ön vlomïva se! xör, ïnu ön kenđïba. ïnu yik vlomana yos mayel ön kenđïx se!

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Ḑeyms í Merí nívam al arí. Kónaya çenkí yu yox, saní amvox. Eví, vseda yu saní çaremoxva s! Xó, mov al varón íkraçíva. Ḑeyms í Merí íkraçíya nala, amva skaçí ík ókox oçaya maë al aríya nívam al íkraçíx.

Ḑeyms marvox braya, ól şes naşa. Marvox kraya muya kroxna, ól baç naşa. Ḑeyms marvox ínu ó kabímí, seyça ínu ov nívam al arí. Ínu ḑa na kónuma ík íkraçíya nala. Seyça ínu yu saní órşox.

Merí ov ínu ó kabímí? Ben, Merí ínu ó ón kabímí, şama nyeka ó. Eví nyeka oça al arí, mu neriçí.

Muya kravxí oça al nyeka ík arí, maḑó ív skalí, í Ḑeyms í Merí íkraçíx ó mu skalí. Ḑeyms ókox í vrox samen ox şuyóxka kaşí, xíä mu Merï om kaksí. Yekva ó bonímí? Merí sumví í muya róka ekvaya al arí. Mu vríşa ó ón skamíşa í mu kaḑoërí. Vríyór? ól, vríyór Ḑeyms samenya bevla al arí?

íkra xó. Merí kaḑoëríya óvar yos, mu mavrí ó skalí. Mu Ḑeyms ó narçí. Şul ox eşçíva? Mu eşçívana başó ó mó skalíva?

Merí Ḑeymsya başó ó ón bonímí. Ínu ox «Mó Ḑeyms ó skalíva» ó broşçí. Eví, ínu ón vlomíşa s! Xó, ínu ón kenḑíva. Ínu ík vlomíya yos, mayel ón kenḑí s!

New using Armenian
Ջեյմա ի մերի նիվամ ալ արի․ Կոնյա ճենկի յու յօտ, սանի ամվօտ․ Եվի, վսեդա յու սանի ճարեմօտվա ս․ Տո, մօվ ալ վարոն իկրաճիվա․ Ջեյմս ի մերի իկրաճիյա նալա, ամվա սկաճի իկ ոկօտ օճայա մաե ալ արիյա նիվամ ալ իկրաճիտ․

Ջեյմս մարվօտ բրայա, ոլ շես նաշա․ Մարվօտ կրայա մույա կրօտնա, ոլ բաճ նաշա․ Ջեյմա մարվօտ ինու ո բաբիմի, սեյճա ինւ օվ նիվամ ալ արի․ Ինու ջա նա կոնումա իկ իկրաճիյա նալա․ Սեյճա ինու յու սանի որշօտ․

Մերի օվ ինու ո բաբիմի? Բեն, Մերի ինու ո ոն կաբիմի, շամա նյեկա ո․ Եվի նյեկա օճա ալ արի, մը ներըճի․

Մույա կարվտի օճա ալ նյեկա իկ արի, մաջո իվ սկալի, ի Ջեյմս ի Մերի իկրաճիտ ո մու սկալի․ Ջեյմս ոկօտ ի վրօտ սամեն օտ շույոտկա կաշի, տիա մու Մերի օմ կակսի․ Յեկվա ո բօնիմի? Մերի սումվի ի մույա րոկա եկվայա ալ արի․ Մու վրիշա ո ոն սկամիշա ի մու կաջօերի․ Վրիյոր? Ոլ, վրիյոր Ջեյմս սամենյա բեվլա ալ արի?

Իկրա տո․ Մերի կաջօերիյա ովար յօս, մու մավրի ո սկալի․ Մու Ջեյմս ո նարճի․ Շուլ օտ եշճիվա? Մու եշճիվանա բաշո ո մո սկալիվա?

Մերի Ջեյմսյա բաշո ո ոն բօնիմի․ Ինու օտ «Մո Ջեյմս ո սլաիվա» ո բրօշճի․ Եվի, ինու ոն վլօմիշա ս․ Տո, ինու ոն կենջիվա․ Ինու իկ վլօմիյա յօս, մայել ոն կենջի ս․

English
James and Mary are in the garden. The weather is nice today, it is very warm. But yesterday it was very cold! They could not play outside then. James and Mary love to play, they always play together in the garden in front of the big house.

James is a little boy and he is six years old. The little girl is his sister, she is five years old. James has a small dog, the dog is also in the garden now. The dog likes to play with the two children. The dog is very happy now.

Does Mary also have a dog? No, Mary does not have a dog, she has a cat. But the cat is in the house, the cat is sleeping.

Their mother is inside the house with the cat, she looks through the window and sees James and Mary playing. James quickly runs to a big old tree, he is hiding from Mary. Do you know why? Mary is sitting and has her hands in front of her eyes. She can't see anything and she is counting. Why does she do that? And what is James doing near the tree?

It is a game. When Mary has finished counting she looks around. She is searching for James: where did he go? Did you see him?

Mary does not know where James is. She asks the dog: "Did you see James?". But the dog can not speak of course! So Mary gets no answer to her question. People never get an answer when they speak to dogs!

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Re: Նիտալօս, յադեկ յու Վինճաս

Postby hashi » 2013-06-06, 16:14

Necroposting ftw!

Just thought I'd post a comparison of the two forms of Nithalos previously used in this thread (over 3 years old now) and the modern version:

Original (2009):
Đeyms ïm Merï nïvam al arïka. kyönaya čenkï yul ïoxu, sankrï ambroxi. yevï, vserđia yul sankrï čakremoxba se! xör, movi al var ön ïkračïba. Đeyms ïm Merï ïkračïyana nala, alon skačil ïk ökroxi učakaya maye yal arïyana nïvam al ïkračïx.

Middle (2010-2011):
Ḑeyms í Merí nívam al arík. Kónaya çenkí yu yox, saní amvox. Eví, vseda yu saní çaremoxva s! Xó, mov al varón íkraçíva. Ḑeyms í Merí íkraçíxaya nala, amva skaçí ík ókox oçaya maë al aríya nívam al íkraçíx.

Post-modern (2012-2013):
Deims i Meri nivam al. Konae tenkiu yođ, sani amvođ. Evi, vedau sani tarmođvi s! Ðia mov al ikrišavayo. Deims i Meri ikriya nala, skati og okođ ota maena nivam al amva ikri.

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Re: Նիտալօս, յադեկ յու Վինճաս

Postby hashi » 2015-03-12, 10:56

Necroposting ftw!

Just thought I'd post a comparison of the two forms of Nithalos previously used in this thread (over 5 years old now) and the modern version:

Original (2008-2009):
Đeyms ïm Merï nïvam al arïka. kyönaya čenkï yul ïoxu, sankrï ambroxi. yevï, vserđia yul sankrï čakremoxba se! xör, movi al var ön ïkračïba. Đeyms ïm Merï ïkračïyana nala, alon skačil ïk ökroxi učakaya maye yal arïyana nïvam al ïkračïx.

Middle (2010-2011):
Ḑeyms í Merí nívam al arík. Kónaya çenkí yu yox, saní amvox. Eví, vseda yu saní çaremoxva s! Xó, mov al varón íkraçíva. Ḑeyms í Merí íkraçíxaya nala, amva skaçí ík ókox oçaya maë al aríya nívam al íkraçíx.

Early-modern (2012-2013):
Deims i Meri nivam al. Konae tenkiu yođ, sani amvođ. Evi, vedau sani tarmođvi s! Ðia mov al ikrišavayo. Deims i Meri ikriya nala, skati og okođ ota maena nivam al amva ikri.

Modern (2014-2015):
Deims i Meri nivam al. Konae tenkiu yo, i sani amvo. Evi vedau sani tarmovi se! Ðia mov al ikrišavayo. Deims i Meri ikriya nala, okođ ota maena nivam al skati go amva ikri.

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