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Ume Sami gradation

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Ume Sami gradation

Postby LoneWolf » 2009-03-06, 23:01

Would anyone know how gradation actually works in Ume Sami? All I could get on the topic was wikipedia saying that gradation occurred only after long vowels and diphtongs.This peculiar way of applying gradation, which is so different from the rest of the Saami langs, sounds very intriguing to me and I would want to know more. So could anyone tell me how it all fits together?

Well I hope I'm not asking for to much...
Thanks anyways!!!

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Re: Ume Sami gradation

Postby claypot » 2009-11-29, 11:19

Hi LoneWolf,

I'm afraid I can't help you, but I'm rather certain that a friend of mine can (I believe he authored the Wikipedia article). I'll see what I can find out, or just direct him to this discussion.

In the meantime, I'm wondering what you're working on with Ume Sami. (And more directly in line with my interests, but perhaps not so much yours: are you trying to work on documentation, or do you know anyone who is?)

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Re: Ume Sami gradation

Postby LoneWolf » 2009-12-22, 5:36

claypot wrote:Hi LoneWolf,

I'm afraid I can't help you, but I'm rather certain that a friend of mine can (I believe he authored the Wikipedia article). I'll see what I can find out, or just direct him to this discussion.

In the meantime, I'm wondering what you're working on with Ume Sami. (And more directly in line with my interests, but perhaps not so much yours: are you trying to work on documentation, or do you know anyone who is?)


It would certainly be very appreciated if your friend could share some of his knowledge with us!

As for the reason why I'm asking about Ume gradation, it's simply because I'm interested in trying to understand the phenomenon of gradation in Uralic languages. Ume Saami apparently differs from the rest in respect to gradation (along with South Saami). I'm wondering what are the underlying factors that lead to this difference. If your friend doesn't know how to answer my question I would at least appreciate it if he gave us verb and noun paradigms so I can try to work with it myself.

By the way thanks for replying to my message. I though no one would ever answer.

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Re: Ume Sami gradation

Postby claypot » 2010-03-04, 11:14

Hi LoneWolf,

Sorry I didn't respond sooner. You're right that I forgot about this. I've actually learnt a few things since we exchanged our earlier posts. Ume Saami does have gradation, unlike South Saami, where it appears to have been leveled. (However, it's quite interesting that South Saami still has the conditioning environments in the paradigms [i.e. closed/open syllables] that triggered the gradation that can be seen in, among others, North Saami, but for which there is now no predictable environment [synchronically speaking, of course].)

In Ume Saami nominal paradigms, consonant gradation is almost always predictable (on the closed/open syllable principle). A notable exception is the NOM.p for trisyllabic stems in which a closed syllable has the stronger grade consonant center. Consonant gradation in the verbal paradigms shows no regularity, however, leading me to conclude that Ume Saami is very much like its northern neighbors, at least in this regard. It is true, however, that gradation happens in Ume Saami only when the vowel center is long; length of the vowel center is not similarly limiting in the other Saami languages (to the north of Ume Saami).

I hope that helps. I have data that can illustrate, but I'd rather send that to you in a private message, as it's not my data and I don't have permission to broadcast it.

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Re: Ume Sami gradation

Postby LoneWolf » 2010-03-09, 23:29

Hey claypot, thanks for your reply.

I tried to send you this in a private message but somehow I'm not sure it worked. I tried twice and both times the messages didn't appear in the sent messages box. However they did appear in my outbox (is it suppose to do that ?). So I'm not sure whether or not you actually received them. If you did, then I'm sorry for repeating this message here and sending it to you twice. I don't understand this PM thingy. I must be doing something wrong, :oops: (dumb me!)

So here's what I had to say:

Well I wouldn't mind seeing that data. Infact, I would greatly appreciate! Of course only if it isn't too much trouble for you.

It's just so hard getting around Linguistic works in english focused on Saami languages. I see you know Norwegian so it is already a bit less of an issue for you.

By the way, are you studying in Linguistics? Are you a specialist in Uralic and or Saami languages? Just curious because I'm presently doing my Major in Linguistics at Concordia University. I would like to eventually do some studies on the Uralic languages. The only thing is I have no clue where courses in that particular field of study are given. Are there any given where you are from? Or would you know a place that offers courses on the Uralic languages?

Again thanks!


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